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Congress's fiscal cluster....
The coming budget mess for Congress likely would not please founding father Ben Franklin.
September 18th, 2012
08:36 AM ET

Congress's fiscal cluster....

By Lisa Desjardins, CNN

Follow on Twitter: @LisaDCNN

(CNN) – This week, Congress is expected to avoid another fiscal disaster, at least temporarily, by passing enough funding to keep government running for six more months.

But, that six-month patch does nothing to deal with the coming, enormous budget mess.

[:43] “These are all distractions, It’s like putting a band aid on a bullet wound,” said Wes Messamore who writes about government and policy for the Independent Voter Network.

The bullet wound is the collision of multiple budget issues coming in the next four months and the big picture problems, like Medicare, that Congress has ignored in the long-term.

The near-term dilemmas include the fiscal cliff, which will mean increased taxes and significant budget cuts if Congress doesn’t act.

[2:28] “If we go over that fiscal cliff, with raising taxes and slashing spending… it very would likely send the economy plunging downward into another recession and that would make at least they cyclical deficit worse,” said Professor Ranjit Dighe, who teaches economic history at the State University of New York at Oswego. He also runs a website about the financial crisis, called “Blogging Through the Wreckage”.

Despite these warnings, a debate is starting to arise among some in Congress over whether lawmakers should tackle the fiscal cliff at all before the end of the year.

[3:12] “I think it’s a bad idea for us to come back in a lame duck session, regardless of who wins, and try to deal with these issues,” said Rep. Raul Labrador, R-ID at a conservative Congressional forum held by the Heritage Foundation last week.

Thus, the mess and potential for political collision deepens.

On top of questions about whether Congress can come up with an agreement to avoid the fiscal cliff by the end of the year, there are now questions about whether some members would rather drive over it.

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  1. henry allen

    can you tell me why there is no mention of the Veterans Jobs Corps proposal that would have put vets to work and is fully paid for on CNN for the last 2 days. Nothing on your news chanel or in prine, or the blocking of the Farm bill I thought that you guys ware fair and balanced but I guess not. I still have to go elsewhere to get my news, but I keep trying,

    September 21, 2012 at 2:22 am | Report abuse |
  2. amacd385

    The title should be more properly changed to "Congresses Cluster Fuck".

    Please notice the recent and heavy use of some new Frank Luntz-style PR terms related to the market hype, like “fiscal cliff”. They are really throwing the bullshit around to scare and move the suckers, and to ‘paint’ the supposedly divinely safe 'free-market'.

    The scare term, “Fiscal Cliff” is certainly a Frank Luntz inspired phrase (like 'death tax') and may well be his own invention for the ruling elite Empire.

    For all the uncritical media shills (and/or rubes) starting to toss this term around, they should step-back, think a bit, and then understand that:

    The Luntz invented phrase “Fiscal Cliff” is really the propaganda 'scare term' and trigger word to soften the reality of the corporate/financial/militarist Empire's plan to “Kill Social Security and Medicare”

    Both of the “Vichy” faux-democratic Republican and Democratic parties of deceitful LIARS are planning to use this new Luntz invented “Shock Doctrine” scare term "Fiscal Cliff" just like the phony 9/11 “Useful Crisis” was used to institutionalize secrecy, illegality, un-Constitutional powers, and militarism “abroad” and “at home” (as Hannah Arendt warned all Empires do).

    Hate to hit you media idiots with a shock, but this is how the Empire controlling our former country initiates the proven “Shock Doctrine” strategy with phony but oh soooo scary crises like “Fiscal Cliff”.

    Best luck and love to the fast expanding “Occupy Empire” educational and revolutionary movement.

    Liberty, democracy, equality, and justice
    Over
    Violent/Vichy II
    Empire,

    Alan MacDonald
    Sanford, Maine

    September 20, 2012 at 9:22 am | Report abuse |
  3. NATHAN WIMBERLY

    Not a peep on CNN about the unhinged GOBP tea potty filibuster of a jobs bill for vets. Same old job killing routine, then call them moochers.

    September 20, 2012 at 6:59 am | Report abuse |
    • Melissa Ray

      Nathan, thank you. I was just getting online to see if it was even on the radar at CNN. No sighting as I can see. How can they avoid this debacle? The names of Boozman, Johanna, Burr and Toomey should be household names by this time of the morning, on ALL the news outlets. I cannot understand how either party can be so heartless about the men and women they sent to war. None of these vets picked up a gun and bought their own airline ticket to fight overseas. This congress, controlled by republicans, is the worst thing to happen to this country in my 68 years of living on this planet.

      September 20, 2012 at 9:26 am | Report abuse |
  4. Steven Colo

    This is a great idea! I'll tell my boss that I'd rather not do the hard work, and just avoid it. What could happen?

    September 19, 2012 at 8:41 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Dan

    An obvious place to trim the budget would be to reduce Defense spending by 50-75%. Reduce military personnel by at least 50%. Unfortunately, 'Defense' spending is rarely actually spent on defending America. More like "offense" spending, and sending our troops weapons and money overseas to fight meaningless wars. It would be actual defense spending and worthwhile if they used that money to build border fences, or patrolling they border, or fighting crime inside America, but otherwise, thanks a lot for wasting our taxpayer dolars and crippling the deficit.

    September 19, 2012 at 7:23 am | Report abuse |
    • Jon

      So I am just wondering what would come from downsizing the military by 50%? We needed them for war and we need them to fight for the freedom that allows you to speak against them. But what would happen if they listened to you and cut the military by 50%? Look at what is going on around the world and you want a smaller military?

      September 19, 2012 at 9:33 am | Report abuse |
      • fiftyfive55

        How is fighting in the mideast protecting Americans ?

        September 19, 2012 at 9:47 am | Report abuse |
        • Fred

          Does the number 911 mean anything to you?

          September 19, 2012 at 12:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • fiftyfive55

        @Fred-yep,911 means something to us,it marks the excuse that Bush used to invade a country and make a ton of money for munitions suppliers ! Remember we were attacked by muslim terrorists,a group not a country,a religion that "they"claim as peaceful.We still shouldn't be in the mideast,Americans dont want us in the mideast.

        September 19, 2012 at 1:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • old golfer

      Hey Jon, name a country that has invaded America in the past two hundred years. Now name the number of countries that we have invaded. I rest my case.

      September 19, 2012 at 10:15 am | Report abuse |
      • rg

        Japan. Pearl Harbor.

        September 19, 2012 at 1:27 pm | Report abuse |
        • Uss_Columbia_SSN_771

          Japan did not invade peral harbor. No boots hit ground. That was an attack to destroy the pacific fleet.

          September 19, 2012 at 3:08 pm | Report abuse |
  6. fiftyfive55

    Shipping tax paying jobs out of country doesnt help OUR bottom line !
    Laid off workers collect taxes rather than pay them !
    Preying on slave laborers in communist China doesnt get taxes paid here ?
    The line "it's just business"is a made up phrase by businessmen who don't care about people , only profits.

    September 19, 2012 at 6:39 am | Report abuse |
  7. sinsaitonalbulk

    They should be able to get fired like any other american if they can not do the job right.

    September 18, 2012 at 10:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • f-the-rich

      They can, you vote, they lose, problem solved. The real problem is that there is only one party. The illusion that you have a choice is how these people ensure THEY win, you LOSE.

      September 19, 2012 at 4:58 am | Report abuse |
  8. Clint04 Wa.

    I think the government needs to tell congress to get off their butts and do something meaningful, or we are going to cut your funding!!

    September 18, 2012 at 5:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Socrates

      Huh? That doesn't really make sense. The "government" work for the tax payers. Being a tax payer I vote to close it down.

      September 18, 2012 at 6:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • old golfer

      In case you missed civics, congress is a part of the government.

      September 19, 2012 at 10:17 am | Report abuse |
  9. Wordmann

    We have a congressman named Hal Rogers that only mortality and God himself can take out of office; he's been there for 33 years. I say 1 term; not endless rounds.

    September 18, 2012 at 5:43 pm | Report abuse |
  10. carolfryday@eastlink.ca

    good luck

    September 18, 2012 at 5:32 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Mike

    Raising taxes and cutting spending? But what spending are they cutting; I don't think I have ever heard of the pay and benefits of elected leaders being offered up as to be cut. You're willing to raise my taxes and cut the education for my family at the cost of what from your end of the bargain congress? More tanks the Army said they don't need? An airframe that is vastly over budget and behind schedule? Who needs to worry about those, as long as they are built in my state then we must have them. Our leadership is a joke. Nothing gets done because they look across the aisle and see the enemy. Well guess what boys and girls. I help pay your bloated salaries and benefits. You don't wanna tackle a problem that was part of your watch, fine; serve him his walking papers now. We as Americans we should not accept this mediocrity from our elected officials. We have learned to accept that if no one meets that bar, then we lower it. Does this apply to everyone, no, but it applies enough that you have people running for office pandering to special interest groups and specific demographics. I don’t think there is a fix, unless we as voters band together Republicans, Democrats, Liberals, Tea Partiers, and everyone else and demand better.

    September 18, 2012 at 5:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • skysgirl

      Time to form a revelution and get everyone out of congress and start new. Also, 3-2 year terms is all they have to do their work.

      September 18, 2012 at 8:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tomk

      Dont forget foreign aid to countries who hate our guts, and would just as soon kill us as look at us. Billions and billions to countries, some with more money than us. Heck we give money in financial aid to China, what's that all about.

      September 18, 2012 at 9:56 pm | Report abuse |
  12. gee

    Not one of them has the foggiest idea of what a dollars is. Make each sit down and count out one-dollar bills for every pork item in the budget, every item for DOD, EPA, Homeland Security, and snail counting. That should keep most busy enough so they can't do real damage to the country.

    September 18, 2012 at 4:34 pm | Report abuse |
  13. havanabama

    I did some calcs, if the auto cuts happen, it would be 6.3% cut for the military and 2.4 cuts for non mil. How is that a cliff? Media, show us the numbers. We are adults and given the facts we can determine where we as a nation need to go to get our financial house on the right track.

    September 18, 2012 at 4:32 pm | Report abuse |
  14. boomer in Mo

    All members of Congress are too busy running for re-election to do their jobs. We need to replace every one of them.

    September 18, 2012 at 3:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • space pilot

      Term limits !

      September 18, 2012 at 3:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • havanabama

        No you get to hold office one time, no reelection, make the term a bit longer if you want.

        September 18, 2012 at 4:33 pm | Report abuse |
      • TheTraveler

        Term limits? I wish. Last time I checked, serving your country as an elected politician was a privilege, not a career track ...

        September 18, 2012 at 4:41 pm | Report abuse |
        • old golfer

          Elected officials are serving themselves, not this nation or the public. But, the public used to pay for it, until printed fiat money and borrowing became the norm.

          September 19, 2012 at 10:19 am | Report abuse |
      • TonDef

        I'm completely in favor of term limits for congress members, but it would have to be voted into law by the same members of congress who would in effect be voting themselves out of office. Ain't gonna happen. Ever. It should've been in the constitution but unfortunately it's not.

        September 18, 2012 at 6:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • EPietila

      We need single terms for everyone – by law. That way nobody (Obama for example) will be wasting most of their first term trying to get re-elected for their second term. Make it 6 years for the president to give him/her time to be effective, then get them out of there!!!

      September 18, 2012 at 4:17 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Conservative

    They must be talking about Obama and job/the economy.

    September 18, 2012 at 3:10 pm | Report abuse |
  16. rad666

    They are just making sure their paychecks clear.

    September 18, 2012 at 2:48 pm | Report abuse |
  17. Keith B Rosenberg

    Since Congress does not appear to know four function math or basic economics, we should not expect anything from them. Nor do they know how to play well with others so there seems little possibility of the two big political parties getting some kind of compromise each can live with. The extremists in the two big parties make sure that no compromise is possible by using fear as a weapon to make sure the voters agree.

    September 18, 2012 at 2:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Robert McDonald

      Hope you are talking about the Dummercrats

      September 18, 2012 at 4:31 pm | Report abuse |
  18. MTATL67

    This mess was a long time in the making (both Dem and Rep). The GOP purge of moderates and obstructionist position is NOT helping in any way and is causing a ripple effect of problems threw out the country and world.

    September 18, 2012 at 1:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jack Be Humble

      Very well put. I get tired of Obama bashers popping in on topis that are the responsibility of Congress. Certainly, Obama presented the idea of a sequester to give the unyielding congress a way to get past their wall of the moment... but everyone agreed that real compromise on the part of congress would be necessary at some point.

      September 18, 2012 at 2:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • BadBobtheAlbino

      Yeah, those pesky Republicians obstructing the unlimited run up of National debt. Obstructing the misguided priorities of the FAR left. I think that is exactly why so many of them got elected.
      The word is throughout. It's right there in your spell checker! When you look dumb, few people want to hear your opinion.

      September 18, 2012 at 3:47 pm | Report abuse |
      • joep199

        Right! That's why we don't want to hear your opinion.

        September 18, 2012 at 4:15 pm | Report abuse |
  19. Dagaba Citizen

    Trade deficits are a major contributor. If economist want to continue to toot global economies and how healthy they are, then they need to really begin to preach equality and fairness. I have been living the last year in Thailand and you could not imagine the surprise I felt when going to any mall or rural market to find most of the products made in Thailand and not some so called "trade partners". The only import products that I have really noticed are some brands of automobiles and upper-end fashion products. It would be really nice to walk into a store in the U.S.A. and have the feeling that I am supporting my own economy with my hard earned money.

    September 18, 2012 at 1:32 pm | Report abuse |
  20. jiri pincas

    Bush did it, Obama carried it on so F_IN what. The congress could have stopped it all but it went along
    with the wars. It's the wars stupid. Osama told Bush he would bankrupt the USA – he may be dead but
    he actually accomplished his MISSION. Bush = Mission not accomplished. We r phu cked because of it.
    And boyz n girlz there is no way out – our children childrens will pay for the next 100 years.

    September 18, 2012 at 1:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • BadBobtheAlbino

      It's good that Obama can find no way out. That way, it can always be Bush's fault and no responsibility by the current president need be required. Great! Heck, maybe its Reagan's fault? Enough excuse, how 'bout some solutions?

      September 18, 2012 at 3:52 pm | Report abuse |
  21. sensor

    Its sad there are so few responses here, but the presidential campaigns and topics get thousands. When the real problem lies with the congress and their disfunction.

    September 18, 2012 at 12:56 pm | Report abuse |
  22. sensor

    Congress, the members, need to get some backbone, stop campaigning and shopping for money, and put the country first for just a little while.
    Take some repsonsibility for what you and dont do, blame those by name responsible for playing politics with our country so we can vote them out.

    September 18, 2012 at 12:54 pm | Report abuse |
  23. true blue

    The bottom line Red states has dumb voters, police, teachers, nurses, doctors, city workers all vote republican and all want government out of their lives, but guess what your getting paid by the government. FREE YOUR MIND

    September 18, 2012 at 12:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • dude

      Do people not realize that people with money start businesses. The businesses that hire individuals and put them to work. The businesses that pay more taxes than most individuals. Give the top 2% a tax break and they might spend that 2%. Better than the gov't taking it and wasting it on welfare checks and food stamps. If it sits in a bank it will get loaned out as soon as Obama gets ousted from office and Mitt sets the rules and stops CHANGING them.

      September 18, 2012 at 1:08 pm | Report abuse |
      • Michael

        The problem with your solution is that it isn't one. Trickle Down Economics has been tried, repeatedly, and has been shown to be an abject failure. The biggest problem is that given a tax break, those receiving such largess do not spend it on creating jobs or reinvesting in their companies. Job growth has traditionally come from the small and mid-sized companies; too many big companies are attempting to reinforce the bottom line by outsourcing the brain trust to offshore contractors. While I cannot speak for all, this is happening to me, personally, right now.

        In my opinion, a far better solution would be to go Flat Tax ... 10% on every income that exceeds the poverty level, personal or corporate. Get rid of all loopholes and deductions. That would not only end the discussion about extending stupid tax breaks for the 1% but would shut down the IRS (no filing, no forms, no IRS) and would be as totally equitable as anything else proposed, discussed or enacted.

        Just my $0.02 worth ...

        September 18, 2012 at 1:24 pm | Report abuse |
        • Dean

          Trickle down does not work? Have you ever been hired by a poor person?

          September 18, 2012 at 2:46 pm | Report abuse |
      • Middle of the Road

        Actually, most jobs are created by middle class Americans and reside on Main Street, USA. Trouble is the middle class can no longer afford to create those jobs. Our parents, part of the 47%, can't afford to loan us the money any more. If you haven't heard, our share of the pie has been decreasing since the 50's in favor of those making over 250K per year. Their taxes are decreasing and ours are increasing.

        September 19, 2012 at 7:08 am | Report abuse |
    • Myla L. Aguilar

      How dare you call us dumb. Just shows what a pinhead you are who needs an education! I work for my money and I did not see them showing our southern states in the news applying for welfare and making statements that they want Obama's free handouts.

      September 18, 2012 at 2:07 pm | Report abuse |
      • joep199

        But, if you actually look at the numbers, of the 16 of the 20 states that collect the most Federal spending compared to the amount of taxes they contribute (in other words, the ones that TAKE the most, and GIVE the least) are Republican dominated. And the most liberal states (NY, California, Massachusetts), all pay more in federal taxes than they get back.

        September 18, 2012 at 4:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dean

      Your grammer and senetence structure says a lot for the intelligence of blue staters.

      September 18, 2012 at 2:48 pm | Report abuse |
      • freak2

        Speaking of grammer and spelling Dean, you should probally read what you wrote before you post stuff. Now you look stupid.

        September 18, 2012 at 3:40 pm | Report abuse |
  24. true blue

    Okay we all have elderly people we know ask them to look at the last bill from medicare or caid then go back three months add it up then tell me if the Robme / lying Ryan plan is good for your love one. then get that extra bed room ready for them because once they get in your loves will be moving back in with you.

    September 18, 2012 at 12:44 pm | Report abuse |
  25. Larry

    So..We all agree it's a mess. The political side is a mess. The economic side is a mess. Nobody wants to take the medicine to fix the mess. My opinion? Fix the mess by getting the government out of the economy. How are we supposed to know how much the market price (capitolism) for let's say – rent if HUD artificially keeps rents high? Or college costs if grants make tuition higher? Or milk? or wheat? or cotton? The fiscal cliff is here now..Let's fix it and get on with it!

    September 18, 2012 at 11:41 am | Report abuse |
    • joep199

      I'd agree with you if the recent financial crisis hadn't clearly demonstrated that the markets are dominated by a group of greedy individuals with questionable ethics who will manipulate them in whatever way it is that increases their personal wealth.

      September 18, 2012 at 4:23 pm | Report abuse |
  26. Mike Texoma

    The radical Ryan budget would compel America back into a recession pobably worse than the one we have just been in, and worse than what we see in Europe. The Romney budget does not find a balance in fifty years, if ever. The Republicans have no interest in balancing the budget or investing in job creation because their first priority is tax breaks for the top 2%. They swear by trickle down. But we who are old enough to remember Ronald Regan know that it does not work, has never worked, and probably will not ever work. So, all of you who want to click your tongues and lament a looming budgetary disaster if Obama is reelected better be careful of what you want, you may get it.

    September 18, 2012 at 10:56 am | Report abuse |
  27. judy

    the republican dominated congress has once again kicked the can down the road. They will not compromise or work across the isle to find solutions. You repos can say what you will but the record shows who is trying to screw these United States, Your leader mittins has already written off 47% of us as not being able to take resposability. Anyone on disability medicare social security food stamps pell grants welfare VA benifits are all people not to worry about. We don't make the 200 hundred thousand to qualify to be middlclass. out of touch and out of his mind this man spews hate and insensitivity everywhere he goes. Forward. 2012

    September 18, 2012 at 10:54 am | Report abuse |
    • Ray E. (Georgia)

      Judy,
      We have been compromising for the last 75 years. And you want more compromising? The Liberal's'Democrats want to run the country but they want the Conservatives/Republicians to pay for it. I can give you 16 Trillion Reasons that is a bad idea. Solutions? We have had them by the ton er Trillions. They had solutions in the 1930's. They didn't take. Now we are looking the 1930's right in the eye. Those are the Cold Hard Facts of Life.

      September 18, 2012 at 11:19 am | Report abuse |
      • Ah...I See.

        Ray E. (Georgia)

        Judy,
        We have been compromising for the last 75 years. And you want more compromising? The Liberal's'Democrats want to run the country but they want the Conservatives/Republicians to pay for it. I can give you 16 Trillion Reasons that is a bad idea. Solutions? We have had them by the ton er Trillions. They had solutions in the 1930's. They didn't take. Now we are looking the 1930's right in the eye. Those are the Cold Hard Facts of Life.

        ---------

        What got us out of the 1920s depression was the New Deal which promoted entitlements in order to get more money circulating and providing goods and services for those who couldn't find work. The trickle down nonsense from Reagan's presidency created the foundation upon which we bleed today. More money circulating is what needs to happen and it's proven the rich just sit on their extra money. More entitlements is exactly what we need and frankly, a massive redistribution to the lower class will spur great growth in the economy. The rich STILL end up with the cash from purchased goods and services, therell just be more spending happening, which is how the engine keeps going. Learn something before you babble the RNC talking points, please.

        Also, 10T of those 16 were put on the books by W. The last 6 T were mostly the bailouts which has been proven to stem the freefall and create what little growth we've seen so far (no thanks to Congress), including saving big chunks of the American Car industry.

        September 18, 2012 at 11:53 am | Report abuse |
      • rbj

        The 16 trillion reasons did not all come from the democrats...lets see where they came from 1) Bush tax cuts 2) TARP (yes Bush was President) 3) 2 wars (count them 2!) 4) Medicare part D prescription drug coverage and all of these expenses have continued because Republicans won't work across the aisle. Can't say much about ACA, most of it has not gone into effect and clients have already recovered 2 Billion from insurance providers. Are you starting to get the BIG picture.

        September 18, 2012 at 12:04 pm | Report abuse |
        • Ray E. (Georgia)

          Yes rbj,
          I get the picture. The Demcrats had the Congress for 40 years. So why isn't everything fixed now? Why are we looking the 1930's in the face? Wha Hoppen?? Why didn't the New Deal work?? I just read some Coal Mines are closing. More Obama Care I suspect. Time to get off your *ss and do some of those "Shovel" ready jobs.

          September 18, 2012 at 1:11 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dagaba Citizen

        You talk like you are actually writing the Republican checks.

        September 18, 2012 at 1:23 pm | Report abuse |
  28. Ray E. (Georgia)

    Of course you can't fix in 12 years or 4 years what has been in force for 75 Years. The Liberal's stick their head in the sand and ignore the huge debt and lie to the populous to get Re-Elected. What needs to be done is let the Bush Tax Cuts Expire for everyone below $200.000.00 and keep them for those above $200,000.00. Second Kill Obama Care so business will start hiring again. Then the Economy will start to recover. Otherwise you are just Whistling Dixie.

    September 18, 2012 at 10:45 am | Report abuse |
    • clarke

      everyone is a Monday morning quarter back.

      September 18, 2012 at 11:08 am | Report abuse |
    • CitizenBio

      @ E Georgia, so what makes you think thing raising taxes for majority of Americans (earning below 200,000k) will sping spur the economy, when 90% of the service industry lies within this group??

      September 18, 2012 at 11:14 am | Report abuse |
      • Ray E. (Georgia)

        so clarke and CitizenBio waht's your solution? Why are we even talking about the huge economic mess? What caused it. What do you think? You have read my post of 75 Years of Liberalisim. Now, you can be a part of the problem or part of the solution. You have a vote in November. Hard isn't it??

        September 18, 2012 at 11:25 am | Report abuse |
        • Michael

          I would disagree with the 75 years of Liberalism comment. Were you sleeping during Regan's presidency when his administration pushed for a 600 ship Navy? Guess what? Only 30% of those ships built, at great expense I might add, are still serving? Trickle Down Economics trickeled only as far as the 2% pockets and definitely not down to me. Look, I've been busting my hump for 40 years, paying my taxes, not taking a dime (aside from subsidized food, water, electricity, infrastructure, et cetera, that ALL OF US benifit from) and the only truly sane solution is to go to a Flat Tax of 10% and elliminate all loopholes, deductions and tax breaks. And one more thing, Mittens, if you make the money here in the US, it stays here in the US ... no tax shelters ... by ANYBODY. Are we clear here? Carry on ...

          September 18, 2012 at 1:35 pm | Report abuse |
        • Ray E. (Georgia)

          Well Michael,
          Good for you working and taking care of your self. You wouldn't lie to me would you? For your information the U.S. Constutition provides for the comon of the countyr and therefore when Reagan decided to build a 600 Ship Navy he was within th e Constutition. The Constutition makes no provision to set up a welfare state. That was done by Liberal's and Democrats. Forcing Banks to make risky housing loans was a Liberal Democrat Bill, (Of Goods). Obama Care also not Provided in the Constutition was a Liberal/Democrat plan. Obama Care is like putting a new roof on the house when the foundation is crumbling. You want a welfare state. Do you see how well it worked out in the former Soviet Union??

          September 20, 2012 at 1:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • MC2

      Well this logic is completely flawed. Tax more on the biggest % of consumers so they have less money to spend? That seems like a sure fire way to decline the economy. The middle class drives consumerism – you tax them more, they spend less, try to save more and less money is being pumped into the economy. Help small businesses stay afloat, reduce the amounts of tax breaks on major corporations (they don't need them), give tax breaks to companies who buy and make american products, tax penalties for companies who ship their jobs overseas and reduce the tax loopholes for the wealthiest of Americans (because lets face it, no one needs that much money).

      September 18, 2012 at 3:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scott8285

      You are clearly a one percenter Ray. Ignore the facts and trying to fatten your wallet at everyone else's expense. Despite the GOP BS you clearly have been brainwashed to believe, the biggest deficits have been set in motion by irresponsible tax cuts ala Reagan and Bush Jr. Clinton built the greatest period of prosperity since WW2. Obama has been a huge dissappointment as a leader but to try this failed trickle down experiment again would be an absolute disaster.

      September 18, 2012 at 7:47 pm | Report abuse |
  29. Yo

    If the Tea Party with it's "no deficit" mantra and the rest of the GOP with their "tax cuts for the rich" dogma have the majority after the election, the US is in serious trouble. You can't get rid of the deficit without taxing the rich, plain and simple.

    September 18, 2012 at 10:33 am | Report abuse |
  30. RealityBites

    4 yrs without a budget while our debt skyrockets...,. Obama is clearly the WORSE EVER!!

    September 18, 2012 at 10:28 am | Report abuse |
    • Yo

      Obama inherited an economy in deficit. It's still in deficit. That's bad.

      Bush inherited an economy without a deficit and RAN it into a deficit. That's worse.

      September 18, 2012 at 10:34 am | Report abuse |
    • clarke

      How about Congress, he can't force these people to play nice. They dislike him so much, they (congress) will put America under the bus and then blame Obama. I see it it differently than you.

      September 18, 2012 at 11:04 am | Report abuse |
      • Ray E. (Georgia)

        clarke my friend,
        Believe it or not, it is the job of the President to lead! Lyndon Johnson, as sorry as he was, lead! He didn't sit on the sidelines, Voting Present as Obama is prone to do, he lead! Obama has no abality to lead so we are floundering. Lyndon Johnson would not have sood for no Budget for 4 years. Wake up! It is Midnight! The Carrage is now a Pumpikn! In November vote for a leader! Romney!

        September 18, 2012 at 11:33 am | Report abuse |
        • true blue

          Yes , it's true he is the leader but when you have a bunch jackass its hard to stir in the right direction.

          September 18, 2012 at 12:32 pm | Report abuse |
  31. DEJ

    Just as soon as Senate and WH has the right people (Republicans) in them, this and other messes caused by Nancy, Harry and Obozo will be taken care of and put back on the right track. Food for thought: 16% of broken promises by Obozo is LYING! It only takes one broken promise to lie!

    September 18, 2012 at 10:09 am | Report abuse |
    • clarke

      I disagree

      September 18, 2012 at 11:04 am | Report abuse |
    • Michael

      Well, since it was the GOP that got us into this mess (2 wars, Medicare Part D and other expensive programs/operations that were COMPLETELY off the books) and the mess that caused the housing bubble to pop ... and Romney/Ryan want to gut Medicare and Social Security, VA Benifits, et al ... what are we supposed to think? Good legislation that would have headed the fiscal mess off at the pass, praised by both sides, was defeated by the Tea Party Idiots; their unwillingness to compromise on even the slightest of details led to Moodys down grading the US. To my knowledge that had never happened before. So who's at fault here, Pt'aK? Take your Republican Colored Glasses off and take a sniff of reality.

      September 18, 2012 at 1:42 pm | Report abuse |
      • Myla

        FYI it is both parties that have caused this mess, so quit talking about Republicans. Both parties are wrong, neither one has bothered to cut Government Spending, neither one has eliminated unneeded departments in government who really servce no purpose in this day, neither party has stopped money we do not have being given in foreign aid both sides have used goverment funds for their own agenda and the list is a long one.
        All need to be voted out of office and start anew or the states need to secede from this messed up Union because this Government no longer cares about we the people!

        September 18, 2012 at 2:18 pm | Report abuse |
        • space pilot

          Well put...I hope he gets the message...

          September 18, 2012 at 3:46 pm | Report abuse |
  32. bb

    Another Oblunder disaster awaits us, where is Oblunder??? , out partying with his 1% buddies what a creep for a pres we have, a total pansy

    September 18, 2012 at 10:02 am | Report abuse |
    • clarke

      well why don't you become President and clean everything up.

      September 18, 2012 at 11:06 am | Report abuse |
      • true blue

        @ jj Another person sitting on the sign-lines telling the crowd I'm better than the other guy right loser.

        September 18, 2012 at 12:36 pm | Report abuse |
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