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'Fixing' gay teens outlawed in California
Michael Ferrera is the Director of Lifeworks, a teen mentoring and development program of the Gay and Lesbian Center in Los Angeles.
October 2nd, 2012
01:07 PM ET

'Fixing' gay teens outlawed in California

By Jim Roope, CNN

Editor's Note: Listen to the complete interview above and join the conversation below.

(CNN) - California has become the first state in the nation to outlaw the practice of reparative therapies, sometimes called gay conversion therapies.

Michael Ferrera is the director of Lifeworks, a youth mentoring and development program that's part of the Gay and Lesbian Center in Los Angeles.

[:40] “You can hear it in the word ‘reparative,’ that the assumption when a clinician practicing this modality of therapy, assumes that there’s something wrong.”

The American Psychological Association says that

"Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, there are no findings that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors."

Which sort of speaks to the point of those like Randy Thomasson, who opposes the law.

[2:14] “This is basically telling molested kids, ‘no help for you.’”

Thomasson is President of SaveCalifornia.com – dedicated to preserving the 'traditional' family model. He says banning reparative therapies puts sexually-traumatized teens in mental jeopardy.

However, there is language in the law, written by California Senator Ted Lieu, that allows victims of molestations to seek mental health therapies that deal with sexual confusion or any other trauma resulting from an assault.

soundoff (93 Responses)
  1. cardsfan

    it's a shame that we sane people have to share the same air with ignoramus's like you

    October 3, 2012 at 4:59 am | Report abuse |
  2. jim111506

    What was Mathew Shepard thinking before he died? "Just ... one ... more ... hot ... load ...."

    October 3, 2012 at 4:41 am | Report abuse |
  3. toddsdisndat

    I don't get it, are they broken? Gay teens are not like broken toys and need nixing, they are people who need to be accepted for who they are!

    October 3, 2012 at 4:13 am | Report abuse |
    • Tony

      What about those who request therapy despite being accepted by family, church and school? Who is state to deny them that treatment or therapy they seek out of their own volition?

      October 3, 2012 at 4:16 am | Report abuse |
      • Mary

        @Tony - no one is denying these individuals treatment... The law pertains to the abolition of the damaging reparative therapy, which can destroy an individual's identity.

        October 3, 2012 at 4:40 am | Report abuse |
  4. jim111506

    If Mathew Shepard had been cured, he would not have had to be killed.

    October 3, 2012 at 4:06 am | Report abuse |
  5. Wade Tritschler

    Nice strawman, but that isn't what the argument is. It isn't 'it's natural therefore okay', it is 'the argument that it is unnatural therefore bad fails because it isn't unnatural'.

    October 3, 2012 at 3:57 am | Report abuse |
    • Tony

      Of course, it is unnatural - nature designed attraction between opposite sexes so procreation might take place. This is clearly an abnormality. Mixing semen with someone's poop does nothing.

      October 3, 2012 at 4:08 am | Report abuse |
  6. jim111506

    Ultimately, AIDS "fixes" gays.

    October 3, 2012 at 3:55 am | Report abuse |
    • jim111506

      That was rather harsh, T. I hope you choke on a hot load.

      October 3, 2012 at 4:30 am | Report abuse |
      • T

        I'm not gay, you dipschitt, I just loathe self-hating "religious bigots. The lady doth protest too much, me thinks....

        October 3, 2012 at 4:34 am | Report abuse |
      • jim111506

        Yes, you are gay, T. Now go fellate your gay lover.

        October 3, 2012 at 4:37 am | Report abuse |
      • T

        You seem to know an awful lot about this. It's ok Jim, you can come out. No need to hide behind your own personal gloryhole. It's always the ones that yell the loudest.Bet you're a proud Republican, right Jim?

        October 3, 2012 at 4:40 am | Report abuse |
      • jim111506

        Look, T, just because your gay lover died from AIDS and you can no longer get the manbutt you crave, doesn't mean it's ok to jump on other people. You're a lonely, pathetic "gay" man. You're probably HIV-positive and afraid to die.

        October 3, 2012 at 4:45 am | Report abuse |
      • T

        What kind of sick, twisted scumbag hangs out on a gay-themed blog posting anti-gay slurs looking for a fight. You need to be doing a little self-examination, Jim. Seriously, you are demented. Good luck.

        October 3, 2012 at 4:51 am | Report abuse |
    • jim111506

      Thanks for the maudlin whine, T. Bye!

      October 3, 2012 at 4:53 am | Report abuse |
  7. jim111506

    Spare the rod, spoil the homo. Homos need "correction."

    October 3, 2012 at 3:50 am | Report abuse |
  8. Tony

    May be the LGBT groups found out that too many 'gay teens' had successfully resolved their confused sexuality by these therapies and their lobby panicked - and therefore this legislation to pander to LGBTs. Shame!

    October 3, 2012 at 3:50 am | Report abuse |
    • Wade Tritschler

      Or maybe it was found to be scientific bunk, and generally ineffective and harmful.

      October 3, 2012 at 3:59 am | Report abuse |
      • jim111506

        Not as harmful as slowly wasting away from AIDS.

        October 3, 2012 at 4:02 am | Report abuse |
        • Wade Tritschler

          And AIDS can easily afflict Heteros too, so your point?

          October 3, 2012 at 4:09 am | Report abuse |
  9. Non Atheist

    Good point. Lots of poisons also occur in nature but we dont consume them just because they occur in nature.

    October 3, 2012 at 3:43 am | Report abuse |
  10. Non Atheist

    This is not a good sign for a free society where one can make free choices. This is starting to look like a nanny state. What about the situation where the teen insists on undergoing such treatment or therapy out of his/her own volition? This is a law with bias to appease the LGBT lobby. Shame on Calif for passing such a pandering legislation.

    October 3, 2012 at 3:29 am | Report abuse |
    • Dan

      there's no illness, hence, no therapy can be applied. Does the teen require help coming to terms with his sexuality? that's still available.

      October 3, 2012 at 3:39 am | Report abuse |
      • Non Atheist

        I am talking about the cases where a teen might feel abnormal about being gay while being completely accepted by family, church and school. He wants to try treatment / therapy - who is the state to say that he should be denied such therapy that he seeks out of his own volition?

        October 3, 2012 at 3:45 am | Report abuse |
      • jim111506

        Anus-loving "gay" teens must be singled out and publicly humiliated. My friends and I tormented gays in high school, and we enjoyed every minute of it.

        October 3, 2012 at 3:46 am | Report abuse |
    • Concerned Christian

      I wholeheartedly agree. This is the beginning of the police state! In the name of protecting the rights of one segment of society, another segment's right are being trampled upon. And to what end? For the teen who self-reports as experiencing unwanted SSA's, there is no "legal" reprieve. I am horrified and devastated!

      October 3, 2012 at 4:24 am | Report abuse |
  11. Non Atheist

    A kid may be born blind but it is considered a congenital disorder or abnormality - it is a sad thing - nothing to celebrate. So even if gay is a congenital condition, does not mean it is necessarily a normal thing we should be glad about. Still there needs to be acceptance of this condition and compassion for those who have it - just like we have compassion for kids born blind - there is no fault of that child - at the same time we cannot give that kid a flying license just to make him feel normal - the kids has to accept his condition as disadvantageous as well.

    October 3, 2012 at 3:19 am | Report abuse |
    • FrigginDave

      Who are you to say who is normal and who is not. Being gay isn't a disadvantage, unless you are considering how intolerant people can be of gays. Most gay people like being gay, so why try to fix them according to your standards?

      October 3, 2012 at 3:28 am | Report abuse |
      • Non Atheist

        We are conditioned to 'like' being who we are. That is no standard for what is normal or not. An incorrigible thief may also like being a thief - does that make it normal? So what is your point?

        Moreover, the statement that 'all gay people like being gay' is an overly blanket statement. This legislation completely ignores the cases where the teen might insist on wanting to undergo therapy/treatment out of his/her own volition, even if he/she is completed accepted in family, church and school.

        October 3, 2012 at 3:35 am | Report abuse |
        • Can we muzzle him yet?

          Self absorbed does not even begin to scratch the surface with you. I would like to see you get some help.

          October 3, 2012 at 3:54 am | Report abuse |
      • Tony

        What? A serial killer likes being a serial killer - so why try to fix him according to our standards? What is your point?

        Liking being something is not the standard to decide what is normal or not.

        October 3, 2012 at 3:47 am | Report abuse |
  12. Mike

    I'm of the belief that homosexually in itself isn't immoral because it's a sexual orientation that someone is primarily born with. Even if it isn't, it's their personal choice and shouldn't be anyone else's business. So I'm against the practices that California is outlawing.

    However, I'm not sure what legal basis they have to ban this in Cali. Parents can send kids to any number of schools and organizations and certainly we wouldn't agree with all of those. How is this constitutional to ban certain organizations parents send their kids to if it doesn't involve forcing anybody to do anything or incite violence?

    October 3, 2012 at 2:53 am | Report abuse |
    • Dan

      because it increases the risk of depression/suicidal tendencies. there's nothing there to cure and the only thing that's accomplished is an increase in self-hatred. It amounts to medical malpractice.

      October 3, 2012 at 3:42 am | Report abuse |
  13. someGuy

    If a gay person can be 'fixed' and turned straight, can a straight person be turned gay?

    October 3, 2012 at 1:57 am | Report abuse |
    • Non Atheist

      A sick person can be cured but why would any healthy person want to become sick?

      October 3, 2012 at 3:13 am | Report abuse |
  14. jamessavik

    What makes more sense:

    >>The causes of homosexuality are attributable to man's sinful nature, nurture and environment, and personal choice. -Conservapedia

    >>There is evidence that what happens inside the womb may affect the future sexual orientation of a fetus. -Nature

    Society has accepted scientific explanations for all sorts of things that were once attributed to the gods: volcanoes, tidal waves, earthquakes, drought, disease. These all have rational explanations.

    Why is the topic of homosexuality so different?

    Why can't we discuss it rationally without people throwing around bible verses and damnation?

    October 3, 2012 at 1:47 am | Report abuse |
    • Gadflie

      Well, when science and the bible disagree, it tends to upset Christians.

      October 3, 2012 at 2:00 am | Report abuse |
    • VoiceOf Truth

      Are you reeally equating humans to volcanos?

      October 3, 2012 at 2:05 am | Report abuse |
    • LPK

      Why must people immediately insult Christians, because they happen to believe that the homosexual lifestyle is not God's intent? First of all, Christianity is not the only religion that teaches this, and as long as people verbally insult religious groups, Christian or not, they are really not being as kind, smart, or inclusive as they think they are.

      Second, I hope people out there understand that it is possible to believe that being gay is something you are born with while also believing that homosexual acts are against God's plan. Just like fornication and adultery. There is nothing scientific to be said about what one thinks is morally right or wrong, so please, no more condescending comments that "Christians get upset when science and the Bible disagree." Morals really don't have to have much to do with science.

      Third, I am throwing it out there that, while I am a traditional Christian who believes that God intended sex for a married woman and man, I understand that hardly anyone perfectly adheres to this, and I am also against the practice of trying to force homosexual children into heterosexuality. I actually do think that is invasive, emotionally harmful, and creepy. As long as this law is really, truly about protecting children from emotional abuse, I understand. However, I am tired of leftist thinkers trying to force their beliefs on Christians and belittling them when they refuse to accept.

      October 3, 2012 at 3:16 am | Report abuse |
  15. Drock

    Just because it's not a personal moral failure to have homosexual attractions does not mean that those attractions are healthy. They are just another flaw some people have, and we all have flaws. I don't have to pretend otherwise.

    October 3, 2012 at 1:44 am | Report abuse |
  16. Gadflie

    I admit that I'm of torn feelings on this. While I do think that this type of "therapy" is pretty much totally bogus, I also understand that giving the government power over medical decisions is a bad idea.

    October 3, 2012 at 1:15 am | Report abuse |
    • braxtonleo

      Reparative therapy is not medicine. Therefore, the government isn't making any medical decisions.

      October 3, 2012 at 1:40 am | Report abuse |
      • Gadflie

        Do you think that all medical decisions involve medicine? Really?

        October 3, 2012 at 1:59 am | Report abuse |
  17. Ed

    Christians wanting to pray the gay away is just stupid and bigoted. Convincing someone, especially a kid, that there's something wrong with them because they're homosexual is just twisted and insidious.

    October 3, 2012 at 1:14 am | Report abuse |
    • VoiceOf Truth

      Nah, your grammar is 'stupid' so be careful when hurling insults. All sin is twisted, including homosexuality. The Lord forgives. But if you don't care, then that's fine. I can live with that. Refrain from the insults.

      October 3, 2012 at 2:07 am | Report abuse |
      • Observer

        According to the Bible, heteros commit the Ten Commandment SIN of adultery.

        According to the Bible, gays commit an abomination, like eating lobster and crablegs.

        That kind of sums it up.

        October 3, 2012 at 2:35 am | Report abuse |
        • Fozzyspeak

          This has nothing to do with the bible, not really. It has everything to do with little people wanting to feel bigger.

          October 3, 2012 at 3:58 am | Report abuse |
  18. Consequence

    So, let me get this right....a teenager is troubled by his same gender attraction and asks for help. The State of California makes it a legal violation to offer the child any help. Abandoning the child's pleas and the responsibilities of the parents, the State of California now takes on the role of being an advocate for homosexuality and maybe throws the parents in jail. Alice has found the Mad Hatter.

    October 3, 2012 at 1:06 am | Report abuse |
    • Hooligan

      No you dip$h!t, the law prohibits anyone from telling a teen they are mentally ill and need help PSYCHOLOGICALLY if they come for it.

      Way to twist what was said.

      October 3, 2012 at 1:09 am | Report abuse |
      • Elspeth

        The problem is that if the child is ASKING FOR HELP there is ALREADY a problem in need of fixing. And if that child was raised in a home that holds traditional views and that child, without a parent, a pastor, or a psychologist telling him or her they are broken, believes they are broken and need fixing, and that that child him or herself DOESN"T WANT TO BE HOMOSEXUAL, then that child has as much right as any other to receive help.

        There are plenty of children and teenagers that actually feel this way without anyone emotionally beating on them. I have personally known two. One when I was a teenager myself. I was very good friends with a young man who was raised in a very devote, traditional, Christian household. He was "in the closet" but very obviously gay. He tried so hard to act as a heterosexual. His parents never once told him that they were displeased with him, or that he was not manly enough, or that he should be differnt. They accepted him as he was. In fact, Michael was the "golden child" in the family, good grades, played sports, musical talent, acting, attended church, mentored younger children, VSB, etc. He was beloved. He was DESPERATE not to be gay. I loved Michael. He sought out "reparative" therapy on his own. When his mother found out, she was utterly utterly horrified...not that Michael was trying not to be gay but that he was afraid that he would not be loved by his parents. Regardless, they did everything they could to help him be happy, including paying for years of this type of therapy. Didn't work, Michael killed him self at the age of 22, not because he was gay and rejected by his family, friends, and society, because he wasnt, his family completely accepted him, his church accepted him (even after they knew he was gay he was still asked yearly to lead VSB and other youth oriented church programs) and his friends accepted him. He killed him self because he desperately wanted not to be gay but was.

        The second young person I know who would change her life if given the opportunity is Lynn. She is my fiance's daughter. She was not raised in a religious household. The family NEVER attended church, her mother was a professed atheist and her father has no expressed religious beliefs. Lynn is herself a professed atheist as is her younger brother. When the children were younger the family was friends with several same gender couples including two with children. Lynn was raised to accept same gender paring as a normal variation of human sexuality. Despite this, she has been personally conflicted about her sexuality since coming out at the age of 16. She has stated on numerous occasions that she would undergo ANY treatment of ANY nature if it would make her heterosexual...Lynn is legally married to another woman and despite this she would give anything to have sexual urges for the opposite gender...males. When she was a teenager she personally sought out the services of "reparative" therapy.

        I am completely opposed to allowing a parent or any other person FORCING or COERCING a child or young adult into this type of therapy (heck any type of therapy for that matter – forced therapy simply doesnt work) but young people who are unhappy, desperately unhappy, should have the right to try everything that MAY work for them. Yes, results are limited. One type of psychotherapy doesn't work for all types of depression either...psychotherapy is not a one size fits all solution. There are dozens of types of psychotherapy in practice. This type of therapy does work for a few individuals...individuals who voluntarily seek it out and for whom their personal sexuality is not set (human sexuality is fluid...there are dozens upon dozens of studies about just how fluid human sexuality is...more so for women then men, but yes, even for men, and within that fluidity some, albeit it few, can move from one to the other...this is why we have bisexuality)

        So...this law has some real significant flaws and won't actually stop much since parents still have the right to remove their children from the state (and it would require a whole lot more than writing a single law...such as rewriting federal Constitutional case law to change that) and AZ and UT have some fairly intensive programs in this area and are about 60 min by plane from most major cities in CA.

        October 3, 2012 at 1:55 am | Report abuse |
        • BSforPres

          Elspeth, I think that you write well and have polished your politics, but your personal accounts seem quite disingenuous. Frankly, I don’t believe a word of them.

          Playing Devil’s advocate, though, I’ll assume that your stories are true for the sake of the argument. The new law still does not prohibit a young person from seeking counseling with their sexual well-being or orientation, but rather ‘conversion’ programs which are universally harmful..…. Always…. In every case ever documented by a 3rd party……. Witout ever having a positive long-term outcome……. Ever. Even at that, if a person turns 18 and wishes to get involved with “conversions”, it is perfectly fine, dandy, and legal in CA.

          Honestly, if a person’s sexual identity can be ‘corrected’ by a conversion therapy, then it is not a true sexual orientation that is being described. Those specific situations are nearly always a sign of other much more significant problems which have ‘sexual identity’ as a symptom of a root cause rather than a problem in itself. Furthermore, if your sexual identity ruins or in any other way defines your life, then you have serious personality problems that should be addressed long before sexual identity.

          October 3, 2012 at 2:21 am | Report abuse |
    • Ed

      They passed this law because they realize that it's wrong to convince a kid that something's wrong with them simply because they are hom osexual. There's nothing wrong with being hom osexual, and the law was passed in order to prevent a bigoted ideology from warping kids' brains into believing that they're going to He ll for the way that "God made them."

      October 3, 2012 at 1:22 am | Report abuse |
      • VoiceOf Truth

        Nah, God does not make homosexuals. He made humans who have the choice to sin or not to sin.

        October 3, 2012 at 2:14 am | Report abuse |
        • Hooligan

          Are you retarded or just trolling?

          October 3, 2012 at 2:16 am | Report abuse |
        • michael

          Oh, man! If God dosent make homosexuals then why has EVERY CULTURE EVER RECORDED IN THE HISTORY OF THE EARTH SINCE THE BEGINING OF TIME talked about them? Or?! is this an evil plot by the Antichrist to corrupt christians? The bible says "love thy brother as thyself" not "love they brother only if they act exactly as you say they must". Think on that... I know what you are going to say already so, dont bother...."the Devil can quote the Bible for his own purposes"

          October 3, 2012 at 3:52 am | Report abuse |
    • pattysboi

      @Consequence, your "So, let me get this right....a teenager is troubled by his same gender attraction and asks for help. The State of California makes it a legal violation to offer the child any help." is completely and totally WRONG. GLBT kids were being forced, usually by fundie parents, into "conversion 'therapy'" which is absolutely unethical and NO reputable therapist would ever consider using it, as it can cause irreparable harm.

      October 3, 2012 at 1:49 am | Report abuse |
  19. Hooligan

    This law is ridiculous... not because I am FOR trying to convince gay teens they are not gay.

    But the fact time, effort, tax dollars and various other resources need to be utilized to keep tools from trying to fix kids that are not broken.

    Why do we need more laws? Can't people just NOT be stupid?

    October 3, 2012 at 12:58 am | Report abuse |
    • someGuy

      can't people just not be stupid? That's a stupid question, of course not. People always have been and always will be stupid. The reason I support this decision is because teens can be forced into this 'therapy' against their will.

      October 3, 2012 at 2:00 am | Report abuse |
  20. All Vatican folks are gay

    The Vatican would need this therapy most! :)

    October 3, 2012 at 12:52 am | Report abuse |
    • Wes

      As an engineer, I can tell you with utmost certainty, that if something is broken, it needs to be fixed. Bi-sexuals and all other q u e e r s are broken, thus need fixing!

      October 3, 2012 at 1:02 am | Report abuse |
      • Elspeth

        Fix yourself first Wes.

        October 3, 2012 at 1:59 am | Report abuse |
      • Fozzyspeak

        As a dumbast, I can tell you from experience, that Wes is indeed another dumbast.

        October 3, 2012 at 4:04 am | Report abuse |
  21. bobsluck

    My bet: AdolfH and uncooldad are either sexually confused teenagers posting stupid comments, or are children of racist, religious ideologues. Poor babies. While the rest of us are growing up, you guys will be rotting on the collective, bigoted vine. Good luck with those "kids" of yours. I pray they move far away from you, or that you eventually figure out your own self-loathing and come out.

    October 3, 2012 at 12:43 am | Report abuse |
  22. John

    What a pointless and damaging therapy. I honestly thought it was something they made up in movies to make fun of a practice that existed 50 years ago.

    To read that it still exists today and is practiced is just absurd. And because it goes hand in hand with religious fanatics and their faith based practices I am happy to see it being outlawed.

    Just one more notch in the erosion of religion and it's strangle hold on a country that is supposed to keep state and church separate.

    October 2, 2012 at 11:57 pm | Report abuse |
  23. JellyBean5824

    I know this has nothing to do with the story, but the first thing I saw was "Molly, you in danger girl" on that guy's board in his office. Love that part in Ghost. Also, good work California – more states should follow this example and rid this great country of that kind of "therapy".

    October 2, 2012 at 11:56 pm | Report abuse |
  24. The Lucious Bobby Barker

    Remember to help control the human population, have your straight teens spayed or neutered!

    [First thing that came to mind when I read "fixing" in the headline... sorry]

    October 2, 2012 at 11:44 pm | Report abuse |
  25. AdolphH

    My state does it again, we have had almost 40 years of Dumbocraptic rule we are almost bankrupt but the dullards in charge waste their time with this for a whopping 3% of the fruitcakes? That is irony.

    October 2, 2012 at 11:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Marc

      Lol!!! You know what's irony? You're attacking the Democrats for focusing too much on gays; but Republicans have been FAR more focused on it on every level. Ask your guy John Boehner why it is more important to defend DOMA than it is to focus on legislation relative to the national debt, jobs, military spending, etc. If there is one thing you guys are consistent on it's hypocrisy.

      October 3, 2012 at 12:16 am | Report abuse |
  26. Satanluv

    Wow I have always heard how well these "therapies" work..i can't believe they banned them

    October 2, 2012 at 11:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • pattysboi

      This "therapy" does NOT work. Not at all. NO reputable therapist uses it.

      October 3, 2012 at 1:51 am | Report abuse |
      • Elspeth

        That's just it...CA is trying to ban something that is done primarilly by CHURCHES...something that CA cannot legally do without having the rest of the country first get of the First Amendment. See in this country, we don't regulate the practices of churches...including pastoral counseling. Since most of this is done through pastoral counseling, and since parents DO have the LEGAL RIGHT to COMPEL a MINOR to ATTEND RELIGIOUS TRAINING...so sad to bad CA.

        Plus, CA cannot stop parents from removing their minor children from the state and sending them to places like AZ and UT for treatment by "professionals."

        Parents have the absolute right to dictate where their children go, who they socialize with, what schools they attend, etc., unless and until the State proves them to be "unfit" and removes the minor from their custody. Since family courts have children who are being beaten to death to contend with and dealing with children of meth addicted parents, this problem is gonna be pretty low on the priorities list so parents who want to force this on their minor children with abscond with the child to a state where they can...any of the other 49 will do...

        October 3, 2012 at 2:09 am | Report abuse |
        • Wade Tritschler

          Actually, hiding behind religious belief does NOT work. There are many cases where parents refuse to get their children medical treatment due to religious belief, and they are held accountable for such. The reverse is also true, you aren't allowed to perform treatments that are considered dangerous or harmful (which so far this treatment shows all signs of being).

          October 3, 2012 at 4:04 am | Report abuse |
  27. kalo

    These people need to read up on history...Greeks, Romans, just about every culture ever has had gay people in it. To the point where Bi sexuality was the norm (Sparta). Ugh, freaking people whitewashing history and calling 200 years "Traditional"

    October 2, 2012 at 11:06 pm | Report abuse |
  28. SPW

    We need a therapy for curing extremism in religions.

    No one should be citing their religion as the doubtless truth, no one in this day and age was alive when these prophets walked the Earth.

    October 2, 2012 at 10:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Satanluv

      Who said "doubless" man??....whatta joke

      October 2, 2012 at 11:19 pm | Report abuse |
  29. uncooldad

    Long ago we as a society lost our collective minds.....California leads the way....I am ashamed to call my self a California native

    October 2, 2012 at 7:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • ironman59

      You should be ashamed if you think that these "repairative" therapies are good for anyone, especially kids. Most kids are aware very on regarding their sexual orientation. It is not your place nor anyone else's to "fix" them because they are not broken.

      October 2, 2012 at 11:15 pm | Report abuse |
  30. justingn

    I approve of this decision, and it makes me sick that people are opposing it on the basis of "Parents should be allowed to decide if it's needed!" As someone who went back IN the closet after such a threat was made, NO, parents should NOT be allowed to force a child into "Reparative Therapy". If an informed, consenting adult wishes to make that choice for themselves, and for their own health, more power to you. For minors, this practice should absolutely be prohibited, since that is when we're at our most mentally vulnerable.

    I will say this, however. While I disagree with "Reparative Therapy", I do think children and families alike should seek professionally licensed therapy or care if there is doubt, confusion, or concern over mental health issues. Homosexuality itself is NOT one, I believe, but sitting down with a licensed therapist or psychologist is never a bad idea, and may help reconcile deeper problems you might have repressed, as well as provide a level of understanding you won't get from Internet help sites or religious zealots impersonating Doctors to "pray away the gay".

    And, as always, you are who you are, and as long as you're not hurting anyone, then there's nothing to be ashamed of.

    October 2, 2012 at 5:28 pm | Report abuse |
  31. Rae Ann Pointer

    California hypocrisy knows no bounds. Not long ago the state voted down gays and they all rioted so an activist judge chimed in. Politics in California – the squeeky wheel gets the grease.

    October 2, 2012 at 5:28 pm | Report abuse |
  32. Babak from LA

    I am glad they banned it legally. But as a parent, do we need laws for that? How about some common sense in protecting our kids from the new "witch hunt"?

    October 2, 2012 at 2:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • jimroopecnn

      My initial response also was, "what, we need a law for that?" But I think law is the great equalizer. We need laws to keep everyone on the same page and keep the peace, for the most part.

      October 2, 2012 at 2:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • rocinante

      Common sense is surprisingly uncommon.

      October 2, 2012 at 3:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Joseph

      I think that is an abuse of law making in itself. You are now limiting the same rights of the people you intend to help to decide for themselves on what they want. What is a person decides he does not want to be gay anymore, now he can't get help just because the state has decided he should not get help. "When lawmakers consider their represented as dull they asume a paternal aproach in lawmaking"

      October 2, 2012 at 6:22 pm | Report abuse |
      • Babak from LA

        Hello Joseph. I think if people want to get help, they always can ... I am just not sure about the "not to be gay" part ... I guess we see it differently. I don't think a gay person can decide to become "not gay" .. He (or she) can decide to live a stright life style, but they are still gay .... Have a good one.

        October 2, 2012 at 7:25 pm | Report abuse |
        • CTEd

          Joe has a point. If some 15 year old comes to his parents and says he has homsexual feelings, doesn't like them and wants to see someoen and try to get rid of them.... who is anyone to say no? Of course if a kid doesn't want to be "fixed" and his parents threaten him until he "decides" to go to therapy how would we tell the difference?

          Tough call. But 18 they can get help. Since far more kids are forced into gay therapy (and the suicide rate of teens who've undegone therapy is elevated) I'd say err on banning it and kids who want help get it when they are 18.

          October 3, 2012 at 1:09 am | Report abuse |
      • zeke

        @Joseph, did you missed you afternoon nap??

        October 2, 2012 at 11:12 pm | Report abuse |
        • zeke

          My bad!! @ Joseph. Did you miss your afternoon nap???

          October 2, 2012 at 11:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • ironman59

      Yes, the law is needed because to many organizations will point fingers and bring in DSS or Social Services. They will corner the child away from the parents, harrass and otherwise intimidate a child (this being done by adults no less). These kids deserve to be protected and unfortunately current law doesn't do enough to protect against this. It also protects the children from parents who won't accept their childs orientation.

      October 2, 2012 at 11:17 pm | Report abuse |
      • FudgeStopper

        If they are confused and want to become fudge packers, their parents should have the right to stop them.

        October 3, 2012 at 1:15 am | Report abuse |
      • Elspeth

        DSS and Social Services will get involved to make a kid straight? Where exactly do you live? Or when rather? This is not 1955 and there isn't a CPS in the entire state of CA that has the time, money, or man power to respond to "my child is gay, make them go to "become straight therapy""

        Now, in 1955 I can totally see how CPS might have become involved if a 15 yo came out. That kid would have been labled all sorts of things and "bad influence" would have been the most tame of them. CPS would have wisked that kid away to a "reeducation" facility in the blink of an eye...but its not 1955 and CPS has 18 month olds who have been raped by their momma's boyfeind and 12 yo meth addicts to deal with instead...a gay youth or two is pretty tame as things go in CPS land

        October 3, 2012 at 2:15 am | Report abuse |
  33. jimroopecnn

    At what age do we know who we are?

    October 2, 2012 at 1:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • laughsatrightwingnuts

      i knew at about age six i was gay. because of the shame of being gay, it took me 20 years to come out. this type of therepy shames gays to thinking 1) they can chage themselves (they can't) 2) what they feel is wrong (it's natural) 3) homosexuality is a perversion (it isn't despite what theocrats say).

      October 2, 2012 at 10:54 pm | Report abuse |
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