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WWJD...about taxes?
December 3rd, 2012
10:28 AM ET

WWJD...about taxes?

By Libby Lewis, CNN

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Washington, DC (CNN) - Dig under the rhetoric over taxes in Washington now, and you’ll find one question: should the wealthy pay more in taxes than other people?

It’s a question that goes back to the Bible. Geoffrey Miller is a law professor at New York University who’s written about taxation in the Bible.

He writes about the Temple Tax, the one God told Moses to impose in Exodus 30. It’s the one where each person, rich and poor, pays half a shekel – for the Temple – and God.

[:48] "The Bible says that’s because you’re redeeming your soul – and everyone’s soul is worth the same amount."

Adam Chodorow’s a tax professor at Arizona State University who’s written a lot about the Bible and taxation.

He says the idea of equality in the Temple Tax – and in some other Biblical tithes – has been a touchstone for some conservatives in tax debates.

He remembers a referendum in Alabama a few years ago to change the state’s tax system so that the wealthy paid more.

[1:18] "One critic of the reform said, and I’m quoting here, 'God imposes a flat income tax, or tithe, so it MUST be fair. If people do not pay the same tax rate, then obviously the rates must be arbitrary and capricious.'”

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  1. His panic

    The belief of many in the USofA, that "America" replaces Israel as the people of God or as the chosen Nation among all the nations, has been called by some scholars "Supersessionism". That belief is a Heresy, a total nonsense, foolishness a total absurd. And as such has created in the past, is creating in the present and will create tomorrow more absurds.

    Because of such belief we have this type of gibberish in politics and religion. That pretends to argue, that the Tithe Laws of the Old Testament are a principle for todays form of Taxation in the USA. Nonsense, absurdity and totally Heretical. We are NOT under that Law. Many of those Laws were ONLY for Israel. That Covenant God made it with Israel ONLY and with NO OTHER nation. Those Laws and Statutes were given to Israel ONLY and not to any other people or Nation. That was not a Tax as we know taxes to be today. Those Tithes and offerings were for the sole purpose of sustaining a religious system for Israel ONLY. It was NEVER applied to other nations and once Israelites moved or were outside of Israel they were not bound by ALL of its features, rules and regulations, begining with the Tithes.

    So to pretend that we can even think of using those Laws, given ONLY to Israel is nothing more than a wishy-washy demagogy on the part of the GOPers, tea partiers, and neo-catholics/conservatives. Who suffer from a chronic tendency to supinely ignore Scriptures. So Progressive Taxation is Just and right. Especially given the Hedonistic and Sybaritic behaviour of so many.

    December 5, 2012 at 9:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • His panic

      If anything at all could be use in support to Progressive Taxation is part of the text of Luke 13:48 …"From everyone who has been given much much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more".

      This is clearly is in the New Testament also called the New Covenant. Made not only with Israel like the Old Covenant was, but with all men of Faith, with all those who believe in God and Christ. However the Scriptures do indeed speak little about today’s form of Taxation in the US of A. But progressive Taxation is fair and just, whether or not Luke 13:48 can be used to support it.

      December 5, 2012 at 9:40 pm | Report abuse |
  2. lyarnie

    Since this discussion is about how the Bible speaks to the issue of taxation, I have no qualms with quoting it here. When we are writing legislation and making decisions about how to solve the problems in our economy, I think that while the separation of church and state is important, we at least need some kind of guide for morality because just about every law that is made has some sort of moral ramifications – deciding where to take money from is going to effect a lot of people's lives. No, the Bible does not speak specifically to taxation. But there are guiding principles that we can take from God's character. At least it gives us a place to start. I would like to humbly submit that God cares for the poor and he tells us numerous places in Scripture to help them. This is not to say that he does not care for the rich! He has blessed them with what they have for a reason. I am reminded of the money that was collected for the church in Jerusalem when there was a great need. The apostle Paul tells the church in Corinth that they should give, but according to what they have. “For if the willingness is there, the gift is acceptable according to what one has, not according to what he does not have” (2 Corinthians 8:12) I disagree with the statement that God asks everyone to tithe the same amount – the New Testament does not state this. Instead, the emphasis is on giving based on your income; if you have less, God does not expect you to give the same amount as someone who has more! In light of the looming fiscal cliff, I think we need to look for places in our country where there is an abundance of money and use this to start paying off debt – why take the same amount of money from everyone when some have more to give than others? Some people may say that it's their money and the government has no right to tell them how to use it, but the money has to come from somewhere!

    December 5, 2012 at 8:04 pm | Report abuse |
  3. saveyourfeet

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    December 5, 2012 at 6:49 pm | Report abuse |
  4. aktap

    When you add it all in, and I mean All government taxes not just one or two, lets not split hairs here. All taxes combined the person who is cleaning toilets for a living is payee a far higher tax rate then the lowest end middle class person, much let alone a super rich fat cat! Add in every tax, state, county, city, gas, fed, personal, food, God were do you stop! Every thing we as a people are taxed on. Heck I'm game, lets all pay the same percent of our incomes, sounds fair to me! Sadly If this sounds fair to you too, We can both bet our bottom dollar its never going to happen!

    December 5, 2012 at 2:23 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Linjun

    I think paying tax is a way to offer as a tribute, but as a taxpayer we want know how the government uses this money. Even though, we try to using Bible to explain everything but we may forget what God give us like freedom. In the bible we can see rich people give their money to Church to manage it, because they trust them. In the modern society, there are too many things we can not choose like how much to pay or the percent on the tax, and where that money is going and what for. I think most the time we complain because the money is never going to whatever we want, and reason for the question we also do not accept, too.

    December 4, 2012 at 9:47 pm | Report abuse |
  6. write a cover letter

    You know therefore significantly relating to this matter, produced me in my view imagine it from so many various angles. Its like women and men are not fascinated unless it's something to do with Lady gaga! Your own stuffs excellent. All the time handle it up!

    December 4, 2012 at 4:54 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Elbonian

    Barry Goldwater proposed a flat income tax in his book Conscience of a Conservative back in 1960. Barry stated then that this was the only constitutional way to tax income. Frankly, I think that if liberals thought about it long enough they might realize that when middle class folks pay over 16% in just flat payroll taxes, and over 20% in effective tax rate if you owe an average level of income taxes, then a flat tax in the region of 20-25% would capture a lot more of Mitt Romney's income (currently taxed at a rate of under 15%), not to mention a lot more of the income of General Electric (which currently pays no income tax whatsoever).

    December 4, 2012 at 11:45 am | Report abuse |
  8. Lance D.

    Romney passed "Ann Romney Turkey Chili" to Obama - did he wash it down with "Boston Tea"? - visions of "Hot Free Press" glossies, "Massachusetts Model" Crime Lab Slides, and "Berkshire Sugar Plum Fairies" dancing in his head-the averge "Middle Class" family makes over $85,000/year. Who knew it? Just more MY2K and "Banana Cheese" - Sen. John Kerry footsteps in the dark - care for more "Turkey Chili"? (wink)

    December 4, 2012 at 11:36 am | Report abuse |
  9. Dave, Decatur, Illinois

    Well TR6, you must be oblivious to the fact that every superpower eventually collapses from within. Read a history book. Once a nation stops working hard and expects cradle to grave entitlements, it begins to rot. It rots morally, then economically. We are right now in the latter stages of the rotting process, and you can feel free to keep your head in the sand, but the collapse is inevitable. It is just a matter of WHEN, not IF. QE1, 2 and 3 were simply attempts to stall the collapse, but total economic collapse is beyond prevention now. That anyone can think that trillions in debt can just keep piling up without catastrophic consequences tells me that you can't balance a checkbook.

    December 4, 2012 at 11:34 am | Report abuse |
    • TR6

      Of course you are right. Just look at Sweden and badly they have decayed

      December 4, 2012 at 11:41 am | Report abuse |
  10. Lance D.

    What would the "RIGHTEOUS GOP" say? "Jesus healed the (Obamacare) sick, and cast out Demo-demons"

    December 4, 2012 at 11:28 am | Report abuse |
  11. Dave, Decatur, Illinois

    After reading the comments on this site for a couple of days I've decided that most of you don't even care about the original question... you just want to bash each other's brains out. No government can help every citizen, there isn't enough money. And no government can equalize "stuff". Socialism has failed every time it has been implemented. Governments must prioritize spending and spend responsibly. Most politicians for the past 2 decades have ignored that principle, and have destroyed our dollar, and thus our economy. We are currently collecting record taxes, and the rich pay the majority of that. Our national debt is to the point that it can NEVER be paid off, and it is just a matter of time until our entire economy collapses. Then nobody can be helped, and it will be every man for themselves. That's when we will find out who the real Christians are. I plan to help my neighbors if possible, when my nation implodes. Everything else you are all arguing about is about to be irrelevent.

    December 4, 2012 at 11:01 am | Report abuse |
    • Shawn Morrison

      Amen! May God have mercy on us.

      December 4, 2012 at 11:07 am | Report abuse |
    • TR6

      You were a big fan of Howard (the world is ending in 2011) Camping, weren’t you?
      But that didn’t teach you anything, did it

      December 4, 2012 at 11:12 am | Report abuse |
  12. stephansgirl

    This article fails to mention a very important issue which is different now than in the days of Exodus. This is usury. Charging interest on loans is not allowed in the Biblical system where taxes are levied equitably. Let's get both reforms in place simultaneously.

    December 4, 2012 at 10:40 am | Report abuse |
  13. Bob

    Jesus had absolutely no interest in the political issues of the Roman Empire and I have to believe he would have no interest in the current political nonsense here in 21st century America. In fact, He had no use for earthly kingdoms, at all, but spoke of a heavenly (spiritual) kingdom of God. As to the current debate, I don't think He would appreciate people abusing the system but that is a small percentage of what is going on. Think about the life of Jesus and ask yourself, would He say "help the poor," or would He say "screw the poor, the job creators need another tax break?" The Gospels make it clear that His desire (and the path to that heavenly kingdom) was for us to care for the poor and less fortunate, not disparage them as moochers and takers.

    December 4, 2012 at 10:35 am | Report abuse |
    • George Ibrahim

      Amen Amen Amen to this. Thank you

      December 4, 2012 at 1:23 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Lance D.

    GOP HEAT - Obama/Patrick still "TogetherPAC" - Brought to you by HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY: Top Execs of Partners Health Care, Shields Health Care, Steward Health Care and Pfiizer - Obamacare "borrowed" from the "Romney Model"? Boston Hot Lips keeping the PAC "alive and well" with some help from his healthcare friends. Why did Patrick skip the DGA "Glittering Stars" meeting? Commonwealth GOP Heat burning State Crime Lab ambitions - who ever thought scandals could rip apart prison iron? Thousands of "Oz Prison Lovers" may then flee to the "Blue Hills" - Boston Hot Lips may then drown at the Bay before 2016 - or join the "Indians" at the Tea Party (wink).

    December 4, 2012 at 10:33 am | Report abuse |
  15. Hmmmmm

    Sure, Jesus would want to leave taxation alone and thinks that the government should stay out of it. That said, He thinks the government should be really involved in regulating a woman's vagina and men wanting to marry each other. It's amazing how convenient Jesus can be for Republican talking points...

    December 4, 2012 at 10:22 am | Report abuse |
    • idiotsayswhat?!?!

      I'm no Biblical scholar...but I'm pretty sure Jesus never said he wanted to REGULATE WOMEN'S VAGINAS! The church? that's a completely different story..

      December 4, 2012 at 10:36 am | Report abuse |
      • Shawn Morrison

        And where does he say it is ok to perform abortions?

        December 4, 2012 at 10:48 am | Report abuse |
        • My goodness but you’re stupid

          Shawn Morrison “And where does he say it is ok to perform abortions?”

          Where does it say it’s ok to use a computer?

          December 4, 2012 at 1:07 pm | Report abuse |
      • Shawn Morrison

        By the way He did say not to have sex before marriage? I wonder what percentage of abortions occur with unmarried people?

        December 4, 2012 at 10:51 am | Report abuse |
  16. DBK

    Why reference Jesus in the headline (WWJD?) and then cite Exodus? Jesus spent a significant amount of time refuting the Old Testament. He did say "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's," meaning, pay your taxes!

    December 4, 2012 at 10:20 am | Report abuse |
    • That's nice

      If you believe the stories he also was very clear that helping the poor and sick was something that the individual should be doing. That they had an obligation to do more than demand that the state take money from "that guy over there" to pay for it.

      December 4, 2012 at 10:57 am | Report abuse |
  17. christian

    God will judge us all in the end. Love God. Read the Bible.

    December 4, 2012 at 10:15 am | Report abuse |
    • montyross

      yeeeaaahh "the whole world is headed for mutiny... in the end well meet our fate together, one oh one......"

      December 4, 2012 at 10:19 am | Report abuse |
  18. montyross

    and John the Baptist told the people to " be content with youre wages", so much for union strikes

    December 4, 2012 at 10:08 am | Report abuse |
  19. Just a bystander

    What would Jesus say? Nothing. Why should He? No one would listen. I mean, He has been declared unimportant in every other facet of our society so why should He say anything?

    December 4, 2012 at 9:54 am | Report abuse |
  20. Publicus

    Read Progress and Poverty by Henry George. Henry George discussed a biblical approach to taxation. His conclusions were focused on not taxing wages or capital but land value which increases as the community grows around it.

    December 4, 2012 at 9:52 am | Report abuse |
  21. Shawn Morrison

    We are handicapping ourselves as Americans in the idea of becoming more dependent on our government. I am pretty sure it is Jesus who saves, not our government. Taxing the wealth doesn't add to the Kingdom of Heaven. Why would Jesus want someone to invest more into a man made group of people rather than His own Kingdom? As far as I am concerned, I would rather have my own will to give than being forced to 'give'. My money comes from God not Ceaser.

    December 4, 2012 at 9:09 am | Report abuse |
    • Fred Evil

      "I am pretty sure it is Jesus who saves"
      Have you let him know? Considering there are a crap-load of kids getting raped and murdered all over the planet, he seems to be a bit behind on the schedule.

      YOU can have faith in something that has zero evidence of helping, the rest of us will depend upon Earthly means, thank you. And government is but one method of helping the less fortunate.
      Jesus is welcome to help also, but he's but notably absent for the last 1500 years or so.

      December 4, 2012 at 9:59 am | Report abuse |
      • montyross

        for someone pushing the threshhold of deity you are presumptuous to believe had we not had religion every thing would have been better through the centuries, not knowing that the fear of God has lead millions not to take the law into our own hands and exacting our will on society by force (or as you would say survival of the fittest)

        December 4, 2012 at 10:17 am | Report abuse |
        • Shawn Morrison

          One thing it is us not, God that does evil. He also gave us free will, that is the ability to do right and wrong. I was once a none believer, until I met people of a loving church. These people are also sinners, but an understanding that they could be redeemed. They help those who have been raped, abused, ect. Don't trust in men just like you or me that have little faith.

          December 4, 2012 at 10:32 am | Report abuse |
    • thescoob

      So the story of Zacchaeus isn't relevant, nor is the story of the young rich ruler? Interesting.

      December 4, 2012 at 10:20 am | Report abuse |
  22. glades2

    In the Bible 1 Timonthy 6:10 explains that it's not money but the lust for money that is the root of all evil, and with the lust for money comes the lust for power, and corruption, and dishonesty, and for ourselves accumulating debts that we know we cannot pay at the time of purchase. Parents use the excuse, "My kids are driving me crazy for this or that and as their parent I'm not going to deny them what they want", but that's just an excuse for doing the wrong thing, and sets a bad example for their children to follow. If a parent or an individual does not have the money to buy something, then it should not be bought. I'd love to have a new TV, but to buy it now and suffer later is not a good excuse, and the same is true for our leaders. We've spent and borrowed our way into this crisis, to the point that we now have to borrow from a brutal communist government to keep our own afloat, and that's unacceptable to the point that if those from the top down cannot reasonably solve this before the December 31 deadline, then they should ALL step aside and let those who do understand what it's like to pay for things we cannot afford the chance to right what is very wrong with our country...

    December 4, 2012 at 8:38 am | Report abuse |
  23. WOW

    I think Jesus would say if the government levy's taxes....pay to the government what is the governments....."give to Caesar what is Caesar..."

    December 4, 2012 at 8:37 am | Report abuse |
    • Shawn Morrison

      It is amazing how we forget to say "Give God what is God's". We still have the choice to 'not' levy additional taxes and to say after that "Give Ceaser what is Ceaser's, and God what is God's."

      December 4, 2012 at 9:18 am | Report abuse |
  24. VAB

    I think Jesus would ask us why we are such a mess. The question would be meant to make us think. Let's see...we teach our children that they are simply really intellegent animals and that the "survival of the fittest" model seen in nature is perfectly acceptable human behavior, then we wonder why people are so greedy and desire all the wealth and power in the world! And the Bible does say that to not pay a fair wage to your laborers is stealing (in other words, it's a sin). Below is one quote that says the workers didn't get paid at all, but the premise throughout the Bible is to pay a fair wage and provide fair treatment, which most workers today do not get.

    "Look! The wages you failed to pay the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty." ~James 5: 4

    December 4, 2012 at 8:16 am | Report abuse |
  25. Li

    I don't want the rich to pay a higher percentage of their income than I do. I want them to pay the same percentage. Personally, I don't care if their percentage is raised or mine is lowered, so long as the rates are equal. And my salary puts me firmly in the center of the middle class, not at the bottom or the top.

    December 4, 2012 at 7:34 am | Report abuse |
  26. Jesus Christ is LORD

    Thank You, Lord God Jesus Christ, for taking God's wrath for me and dying for me on the cross to pay the price for my sins. I believe that You are the Son of God. I believe that God the Father raised You from the dead on the third day as it is written in the Holy Bible. Thank You, Lord God Jesus Christ, for saving me from going to hell forever. Thank You, Lord God Jesus Christ, for giving me a home in heaven with You forever. (1 Corinthians 15:3-4) (Romans 10:8-10) (Romans 10:13:)

    December 4, 2012 at 7:26 am | Report abuse |
    • Another Barry

      Get a grip. Try actually commenting on the subject.

      December 4, 2012 at 8:33 am | Report abuse |
      • Lynchmob

        Well put Barry.

        December 4, 2012 at 8:58 am | Report abuse |
      • Jesus Christ is LORD

        We are not ashamed of the TRUTH of Jesus Christ our Lord <3

        December 4, 2012 at 9:31 am | Report abuse |
        • Fred Evil

          Then it's about time he kicks in a couple of bucks.
          Frigging cheapskate.

          December 4, 2012 at 10:00 am | Report abuse |
  27. Charlie

    I am sorry that some of the earlier comments miss the point. They get lost in the title or some irrelevant detail. Like him or hate him, the principles off Jesus (and the Bible) still apply. A flat tax would make all equal. The only deduction would be gifts to charity (which is also strongly encouraged in the Bible). The total donated would be deducted from the total income and the remainder would be flat taxed. Can you imagine the tax code that would govern this law? It would be 4 lines.

    December 4, 2012 at 5:46 am | Report abuse |
    • NClaw441

      Charlie, I tend to agree with your flat tax suggestion. I am a Christian, but nevertheless this piecemeal adoption of Jesus' teachings for government use is troubling to me. I don't think Jesus really talked about taxes, and I don't think any of His other teachings really address taxation– the "giving" of some of one's income/wealth by force of government. Jesus does speak of giving to the poor and helping others, but this is a teaching of how we ought to live, not what the government ought to force us to do.

      If we are going to adopt some of Jesus' teachings we should adopt them all. Most would (correctly) argue that for government to do that would be to establish a religion and violate the First Amendment. For the "right" reasons, however, even those who have no religious faith are willing to adopt Christ's teachings and incorporate them into law. Imagine if Jesus had taught that same-sex marriage should be celebrated! We'd have a number of partial converts for sure.

      December 4, 2012 at 8:28 am | Report abuse |
    • T-Bone125

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPTYkDVWaCk&w=640&h=390]

      December 4, 2012 at 10:15 am | Report abuse |
      • T-Bone125

        The song posted above is very relevant to this article...

        December 4, 2012 at 10:16 am | Report abuse |
  28. mmi16

    Would Jesus be building settlements on the West Bank to provoke Hamas?

    December 4, 2012 at 2:55 am | Report abuse |
    • oedad

      In jesus's time the jews had been settled on the west bank for a thousand years

      December 4, 2012 at 5:44 am | Report abuse |
      • Joey

        oh snap! the facts can be a bitch!

        December 4, 2012 at 9:07 am | Report abuse |
  29. Peter Q Wolfe

    Jesus would probably forbid usury or a.k.a financing on the disinfranchized like the poor for self-gain or greed as its called. He would more than likely eliminate the military budget to 0% like I'd invision as well. Then, he would allow excessive luxury goods to be not be purchased and compell people to volunteer to volunteer for the poor. I'm not sure about an exact or affective tax rate but perhaps enough to meet each need in a cost affective manner by volunteer workers not corrupt unions or bureaucratic regulations to productivity. Lastly, I think Jesus would have the drug war ended with prostitution prohibition, gay marriage discrimination and allow ethical science to florish not stagnant.

    December 4, 2012 at 2:10 am | Report abuse |
    • Michael

      So if you want to eliminate the military, who is going to protect your right to think, feel and "worship" as you please? If you can read, thank a teacher; if you can read in English, thank a veteran. Without the military, you'd be speaking Spanish, French, Japanese or German by now ... and who knows what limitations would be on the civil rights you hold so dear? How can you compel one to volunteer? Isn't that concept an oxymoron? I doubt seriously that you've been so coerced. The weathly, well off getting more so whilst the middel and poor descend even deeper into the pit? Now THAT would get his dander up, of that I am most certain ...

      December 4, 2012 at 9:15 am | Report abuse |
  30. Paul

    Who the **** cares what Jesus or the bible would instruct us to do? If the historical Jesus existed, he could not imagine what life would be like 2000 years into the future and what problems he would have to solve. The biblical writers prescribed moral conduct for their culture during their time in history. Most of it doesn't come close to being applicable in modern society, so why do we give a **** about it? Let's focus on solving problems with solutions that apply to our time.

    December 4, 2012 at 2:05 am | Report abuse |
    • Rebecca

      You're going to hate me for saying this, and I do not mean it in a bad way, merely to prove a point.

      Using your logic, that means the constitution of USA is outdated and therefore irrelevant to our time? That the Bill of Rights, and the amendments are pointless now? Sure the bible may be old, and yes it was written for a time where it mattered most, but most of the things in there are also (or have been) taught in our times.

      The golden rule? I'm sure you've heard of it. That's in the bible. Are you also saying that's irrelevant?

      Just a thought. Have a good day sir.

      December 4, 2012 at 3:29 am | Report abuse |
      • Jesus

        The Golden Rule can be traced as far back as 1800 BC – before most major religions of today but was used as a part of those religions – in the Code of Hammurabi and as well as notably taught by Confucius (551 BC – 479 BC). But to answer your question, yes – the Constitution gets out of date from time to time, hence we have the ability to amend it. Otherwise, Rebecca; you wouldn't have the right to vote.

        December 4, 2012 at 5:40 am | Report abuse |
      • Not sure

        ummm, I know you used the words amendments and bill of rights (1-10 are the same thing sweetie), but not sure you know what it means. That is the little thingy we use to make sure the constitution doesn't get dated. So that means your argument is invalid, see cause you likened the bible (collection of crazy stories made to scare people into behaving) to the constitution(articles that establish rules, separate the powers and provide a framework for American law ) Sorry no pictures or silly stories about 800 year old men willing to kill their child cause some voice in their head told them to, cause thats in the bible too!

        December 4, 2012 at 5:58 am | Report abuse |
        • NClaw441

          The Constitution addresses and protects the right of US citizens to embrace their religious faith without fear of retribution by the government. You, of course, are also protected in your right to embrace no religion. I wonder, though, why you would go out of your way to insult those of religious faith?

          December 4, 2012 at 8:20 am | Report abuse |
      • STILL LOOKING FOR THE POINT

        oh, sorry, it is just taking awhile for you to make your point... are you planning on it anytime soon? Should I come back? Maybe tomorrow?? Sigh...

        December 4, 2012 at 6:01 am | Report abuse |
  31. chuckswagonwagon

    Adina Kutnicki, Israel

    How does one explain to average Americans that the Islamist-in-Chief (and surrogates…think: Huma Abedin/Hill, Samantha Powers etc) brought them to the point of no return, and intend to continue doing so? Will they believe that ‘Dear Leader’ hearts with the Iraqi ‘refugee’ even more than he does with average Americans? And the media is so in the tank, that if their offices explode they would still stay silent. Yes, they would.

    Well, the POTUS is anti-American and IED’s in America mean squat to him.After all, they explode all over the Muslim world. Why shouldn’t it happen in ‘imperialist’ America? And it is due to his Sunni/Wahabbi roots that the west is witnessing the implosion (fiscally too) of America, as well as the Middle East. And what happens there reverberates in the US and all over the world.

    Think this is an exaggeration? Fine. But here are some facts – http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/10/11/the-islamist-in-chief-his-kenyan-wahhabi-relatives-obamas-inner-roots-addendum-to-the-ties-that-bind-the-islamist-in-chief-to-sunni-islam-commentary-by-adina-kutnicki/

    And it is not for nothing under his watch the Mid East is worse than ever, and more ‘workplace’ violence ‘crimes’ are exploding all over the US too.

    Cause and effect.

    December 2, 2012 – 9:35 pm

    December 4, 2012 at 1:42 am | Report abuse |
    • Peteyroo

      ChuckWeenie, you are so full of crap you stink!

      December 4, 2012 at 1:50 am | Report abuse |
    • ttansy

      Yes, chuckswagonwagon, pretty much all black people are Islamist extremists (secretly) bent on destroying the country. And they'll probably do it. Just look at how clever they were to plant that sleeper cell in Honolulu in 1960, raise him up, send him to Columbia and Harvard, transplant him to Chicago, and then get him elected as president of the US of A. Hot dam buddy, you're on to something.

      December 4, 2012 at 2:21 am | Report abuse |
    • Danny Boy

      Wow, Chuck. You have definitely fallen off the wagon, alright! Recovery groups are available, and in your case recommended. Listen: people are not smart enough to create the conspriacies that you are dumb enough to believe.

      December 4, 2012 at 4:02 am | Report abuse |
  32. Drew

    Sorry, but this topic goes back WAY before Jesus.

    December 4, 2012 at 1:42 am | Report abuse |
  33. Lance D.

    Donna Brazile, I am French but I do not care for Creoles nor "Bayou Twang" - but I'll give you some Etta James "Crawlin' King Snake" if you give me some John Hooker "You Shook Me" back (wink)

    December 4, 2012 at 12:45 am | Report abuse |
  34. Lance D.

    DONNA BRAZILE - what do old "down home" black women from Louisiana know about the "Blue Note Years"? Listen to Marlena Shaw sing "Last Tango in Paris" sweetie poo.

    December 4, 2012 at 12:32 am | Report abuse |
  35. Lance D.

    Dire Straits "Money For Nothing" (unedited version) - anyone hear those "strange Hawaiian noises" in the background? Just more "Banana Cheese."

    December 4, 2012 at 12:27 am | Report abuse |
  36. Lance D.

    Don't worry Donna Brazile, Jesus loves you more than you will know ( Simon and Garfunkel "Sounds of Silence") -- CNN probably won't fire your fat black Louisiana butt for exposing that George and Barbara Bush scandal (like Dukakis did) right? "Koo-Koo-Kachoo" Donna (wink)

    December 4, 2012 at 12:24 am | Report abuse |
  37. GodsPeople

    Jesus said, "Give to Cesar what is Cesar's. Give to God what is God's."

    December 4, 2012 at 12:00 am | Report abuse |
  38. bribarian

    JC would smite the beast obama

    December 3, 2012 at 11:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Peteyroo

      JC would smite no one, even a swine like you.

      December 4, 2012 at 1:48 am | Report abuse |
  39. Rick Rentschler

    Actually if we were living in Old Testament Times, all of the democrats and the minions who voted for them would have been struck down by lighting from above and cast into the blazing pits of burning asphalt......I guess God is patient and is waiting for the final judgment to make things right, too bad.

    December 3, 2012 at 11:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • Peteyroo

      DickDentman, you actually meant rat-b*st*rd Republicans who, when not burning down orphanages, clubbing baby seals, or pushing old ladies in front of buses, prefer to demonize people of color, homosexuals, atheists as unworthy of your Lily-White God's love.

      December 4, 2012 at 1:47 am | Report abuse |
      • JohnH

        It is hilarious tat you MUST assign a "color" to everything. Since you must, God has no color. Jesus himself was from the middle east. As far a racism, I can honestly say that every single time I have heard a racial slur in my entire life....it has come from the lips of a devout democrat.

        December 4, 2012 at 10:48 am | Report abuse |
    • Jesus

      Exactly why did God STOP doing all that hellfire and brimstone stuff if he's so unhappy with things? In fact, I haven't heard a peep out of him since he told George Bush to be president. Must still be kicking himself over that one. (or, is a mythical creature)

      December 4, 2012 at 5:44 am | Report abuse |
      • NClaw441

        I'm not sure how much God did/does the hellfire and brimstone stuff you speak of, but there have certainly been a number of pretty bad events over recent years. Tsunami's, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc. etc. Whether God ought to be given the blame/credit is another matter.

        December 4, 2012 at 8:48 am | Report abuse |
        • Fred Evil

          He had no problem taking credit 1500 years ago, but now he can't be bothered?
          Your mass delusion is slipping.

          December 4, 2012 at 10:02 am | Report abuse |
  40. SDY

    Jesus would quite literally not care about US politics.

    He'd probably desire that those with the power to help would help on their own initiative. He'd probably point to what Bill Gates is doing and say "OK, see this guy? Yeah, that kind of stuff."

    He would probably weep at the concept that His name is being used as an argument for tax rates. He might also get angry, he did have that problem with the moneychangers after all, and anyone who's using WWJD as an argument for tax policy is a similarly dubious mix of abusing the faith of others to try and turn a profit.

    December 3, 2012 at 11:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • jeff

      Excellent response.

      December 4, 2012 at 12:40 am | Report abuse |
  41. willielove

    Anything not to pay more taxes and stay greedy. this is the sickness of white men...Not wrong to have money but becomes Sin when God is not number one in their lives. Cult members in the White House and House...on down. why are the leaders members of secret cults and having meetings behind the backs of the american peopled?

    December 3, 2012 at 11:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • willielove

      This nation has never been a christian nation when leaders from the get go were cult members and we have preachers preaching from the pulpit claiming these guys were christian men when in reality they were cult members. I know why now, they themselves are Masonic cult members! Southern baptist are huge in this area but also the Roman Catholic church which is the who.r e of revelations. Mormons practice Masonic rituals to!!! Greedy evil people need to get right with the God of the Bible.

      December 3, 2012 at 11:33 pm | Report abuse |
      • John

        Outrage. Enough blasphemy against the Church Christ founded for one lifetime. The Catholic Church is the Church of God on Earth. Which is why it is hated by those outside of it, just as Christ was. Wake up.

        December 4, 2012 at 12:52 am | Report abuse |
  42. floridamom1

    Jesus said "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God, that which is God's." God doesn't care what we choose to do politically because he allows us to choose for ourselves if we will do good or evil. It is also true that the Lord "uses the wicked to punish the wicked." Which I think is happening to us right now. If you want to choose God's way, then the only way to make it truly fair is to tax everyone just like a tithe. You can choose how much, but everyone pays the same share regardless of kids, homes, cars, and money off shore. If you did that everyone would have a vested interest and the wealthy would also pay more.

    December 3, 2012 at 11:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • dhogaza

      So the claim is what Jesus would do is what old Jewish law in the old testament required.

      Jesus, of course, held views very, very different than those in the old testament.

      It's telling that on so many issues conservatives ignore Jesus, cite the Old Testament, and then proclaim themselves to be Christians.

      December 3, 2012 at 11:25 pm | Report abuse |
  43. willielove

    using the bible to justify their sin...

    December 3, 2012 at 11:11 pm | Report abuse |
  44. J.R.

    Fix it ? Raising taxes is never the answer but the corrupt status quo elite and corporate owned mdia would have the sheeple think it is. Cutting spending, wasteful unneeded programs, foreign aid, stopping the endless wars. That's be a start. Reducing the size of the government and keeping these shills within the scope of the Constitution would be the best start. We don't need a government so huge, so out of control and so up our arses that the people have to foot the bill. All of this fiscal cliff hype is purely the politicians and the rich elite living off our dime.

    December 3, 2012 at 11:04 pm | Report abuse |
  45. Colin

    The title of your post undermines your argument. WWJD stands for What Would Jesus Do? You reference Moses.

    Secondly, the title of your post undermines your argument. Jesus would probably be very confused as to why he was suddenly resurrected to make a decision on tax policy in 21st century America and would most likely wander off into the Midwest with some makeshift sandals preaching peace and love.

    December 3, 2012 at 10:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dan

      I doubt Jesus is confused as to the reason for his resurrection.

      December 3, 2012 at 11:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • floridamom1

      Actually since he is already resurrected and living in Heaven somewhere, I doubt he will don his sandals and wander off in the wilderness. No, next time he comes to visit, you will know it. I hope everyone here is ready to live by His rules.

      December 3, 2012 at 11:19 pm | Report abuse |
  46. George Moore

    Oh, and here's what Jesus would say / think / do about taxes: " Uh, y'all, I talked to my Dad, and he still thinks it's so funny you've only figured out how to use 10% of your brain which He so carefully crafted for you. That you should be arguing about this stuff.... He just laughs (like, all the time; it's kind of annoying, really).

    December 3, 2012 at 10:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike

      I like the sarcasm, but strangely I with you on this one...

      December 3, 2012 at 10:34 pm | Report abuse |
  47. Lance D.

    The more that comes out to light, the more we can see that Obama was re-elected by severely under-informed and mis-informed voters. Unfortunately, there's no provision in the U.S. Constitution for reversing an election based on lies and deceit. As MSNBC Chris Matthews and Rachel Maddow would say, "It's called free democracy." Donna Brazile was just happy to witness the freedom of black vote - irregardless voting for someone just because he is black. Yes Donna, you did say (for the record) that you like Hillary Clinton because she is a woman (like you), and you like Obama because he is black (like you) - "As The Stomach Turns" brought to you by Proctor and Gamble - "TIDE: LEAVES YOUR CLOTHES FEELING CLEANER THAN CLEAN" (or was that the "99-44/100% pure" Marilyn Chambers on the IVORY SNOW box?)

    December 3, 2012 at 10:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike

      Its OK. Far more did not vote for him just because he is black....

      December 3, 2012 at 10:32 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dan

        I really doubt that. If this election proved anything about conservatives, it's that their politics is more important to them than their religion (i.e. voting for a mormon.) Republicans would vote for a black conservative over a white liberal.

        December 3, 2012 at 11:05 pm | Report abuse |
        • NClaw441

          Your statement applies equally to both parties, except that for Democrats their politics IS their religion.

          December 4, 2012 at 8:51 am | Report abuse |
    • chuckswagonwagon

      While perusing news on some of the things affecting out country I ran across this post from a comment on this web page:

      http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/12/02/iraqi-refugee-arrested-for-bombing-arizona-social-security-office-with-ied-media-silence-ensues/

      Adina Kutnicki, Israel
      How does one explain to average Americans that the Islamist-in-Chief (and surrogates…think: Huma Abedin/Hill, Samantha Powers etc) brought them to the point of no return, and intend to continue doing so? Will they believe that ‘Dear Leader’ hearts with the Iraqi ‘refugee’ even more than he does with average Americans? And the media is so in the tank, that if their offices explode they would still stay silent. Yes, they would.

      Well, the POTUS is anti-American and IED’s in America mean squat to him.After all, they explode all over the Muslim world. Why shouldn’t it happen in ‘imperialist’ America? And it is due to his Sunni/Wahabbi roots that the west is witnessing the implosion (fiscally too) of America, as well as the Middle East. And what happens there reverberates in the US and all over the world.

      Think this is an exaggeration? Fine. But here are some facts – http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/10/11/the-islamist-in-chief-his-kenyan-wahhabi-relatives-obamas-inner-roots-addendum-to-the-ties-that-bind-the-islamist-in-chief-to-sunni-islam-commentary-by-adina-kutnicki/

      And it is not for nothing under his watch the Mid East is worse than ever, and more ‘workplace’ violence ‘crimes’ are exploding all over the US too.

      Cause and effect.

      December 2, 2012 – 9:35 pm

      December 4, 2012 at 1:32 am | Report abuse |
  48. Dude

    I don't think God really cares.. America is just a flash in the pan.

    December 3, 2012 at 10:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike

      Like Rome, and many other nations before it....

      December 3, 2012 at 10:30 pm | Report abuse |
  49. George Moore

    Anyone here, other than me, been touched by the Flying Spaghetti Monster's Noodly Appendage? As a converted Pastafarian, I remain shocked at the general stupidity of CNN readers

    December 3, 2012 at 10:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike

      Must be a Fox man.

      December 3, 2012 at 10:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dan

      I think someone has been touching you with their noodley appendage.

      December 3, 2012 at 11:06 pm | Report abuse |
  50. Ariyo Walker

    Lets be realistic... God is not really that good with Economics... He couldn't keep Babylon together... He had 1% on top served by the 99% during the time of his chosen one Hamurapi... Well guess what? It crashed! Today this is still going on... Did God learn? No... Look at what is going on now! God really needs to look in the mirror and reflect on his actions... Many people need him to start being a Father and caring for the lives of the people here in Humanity and stop walking around the planet calling himself the "King of the Universe", the "Creator of the Universe", or the "Creator of the Heavens and Earth".... Kids grow up and realize Santa Clause isn't real !!! Well... God needs to realize His place is being a Father to Humanity, and he lives in the Milky Way... And She Can Kick His Ass... So be a Father!

    December 3, 2012 at 10:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike

      God created everything and gave it to us to maintain, including economics. God even gave the guidelines by which you can maintain it. But we do not honor his word on everything including how to treat each other. Babylon fell by man'd doing not God's. He is being a father when he keeps us from totally destroying yourself even when we are hell bent on it.

      December 3, 2012 at 10:28 pm | Report abuse |
  51. Fredem

    You lost me by bringing the bible into the equation. Remember the phrase "my kingdom is not of this world". Look folks, we the people along with our representatives have to make decisions about running this country. God could care less about our puny political facts of life.
    So, here's my two cents. We're wasting time on who should pay what. It gives fuel to CNN to churn over and over to fill 24 hours of "news". Work in stages. Grant a permanent Bush era tax cut to the 98% and increase the tax on the last 2% by 1/2 of what Obama wants. Then subtract the most agregious deductions to those same 2%. Meanwhile continue with a half billion cut towards the great military industrial trough.
    Begin in 2013 a one year effort to change the way we tax to either a value added tax or better yet, a flat tax of 10%. Start looking for government waste in all sectors where the government is involved. Remove all the depreciation allowances for oil and gas. Add a carbon tax effective 2015 including a carbon tax on any item imported by this country. Make it illegal to use the phrase "clean coal technology. It doesn't exist. A carbon tax helps level the international playing field. Reduce what are considered small items significantly. This would include the huge slice of the UN budget paid by our nation. Let the UN decide how to replace those funds within its other members. I could type all night. Let me end with requiring all US leaders to show their W2s so we can see what they earn every year over their salaries. Make it illegal for any US citizen to hide money off shore. Make PACs illegal. The billions spent on the last election is sinful but there I go again bringing a bibilical term into the equation.

    December 3, 2012 at 10:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike

      I am sure I lost you by bringing the Bible into the equation. However the title of the article is WWJD about Taxes. There is no way to answer that without a Biblical perspective. How do you know anything about Christ without the Bible?

      December 3, 2012 at 10:21 pm | Report abuse |
  52. Mike

    10% tithe was a "flat tax" that was commanded by God from 11 tribes to support the Levites who were the tribe that did not own the livestock or grew crops and other means of income because they were totally dedicated to the duties of maintaining the temple, temple duties and direction of worship. Remember that although any model that God set forth would be very good for any people this was a specific command that was given to the Israelites for specific purposes and should not be seen as a requirement for the Gentiles nations that existed at that time and to come. As far as "If a man does not choose to work, neither shall he eat." But do you ever remember reading in the Bible where Christ commanded his followers in general to make that judgement and enforce that precept? This is very true in that the natural consequence of laziness will lead to many of the issues that a lot of the "have nots" in todays society have, but not every man that "has not" is lazy and not every wealthy man has come into his/hers by hard work and/or by righteousness. Every TRUE Christian should consider what he has as a blessing by and from God who owns it all anyway and chooses by His wisdom and grace on whom it is given apart from the persons "hard work". There is no way to approach God without taking your pride out of the equation. That being said the Bible also say "To whom much has been GIVEN much is required.

    December 3, 2012 at 10:13 pm | Report abuse |
  53. Lance D.

    Mark Twain: "There are lies, damn lies and statistics." Obama pulled the "$2,000 Tax Hike" rabbit out of the Massachusetts hat. That hike is based on the mean Middle Class income of $86,000 calculated for Gov. Deval Patrick's Commonwealth Middle Class. How many households across the U.S. bring in above $85,000? Yes, the poor disenfranchized made Obama their champion - and Obama tried to champion the cause of those in Massachusetts who make over $85,000 for the sake of a "very close intimate friend" and Governor. So keep typing in "MY2K" for the suffering Massachusetts Middle Class - and make your Obama and Deval Patrick smile up in the W.H. luxury suite again.

    December 3, 2012 at 10:09 pm | Report abuse |
  54. Gary

    I invite everyone to read Genesis 41:35,36 and you might want to read more to understand the context. I realize its OT, but we can still learn from it

    December 3, 2012 at 10:02 pm | Report abuse |
  55. GJGVT

    funny.. the book of Exodus is long before the time of Jesus...

    December 3, 2012 at 10:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Crispycritter

      "...before Abraham was, I am." -Jesus (John 8:58)

      December 3, 2012 at 11:40 pm | Report abuse |
  56. Agent Meow

    A better question would be "What Would Flying Spaghetti Monster do"?

    December 3, 2012 at 9:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • ElmerGantry

      Yes, exactly.

      December 3, 2012 at 10:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • ElmerGantry

      Or what would Xenu, the Galactic Overlord do? Ask this question of all the tax exempt imaginary thingys.

      LOL

      December 3, 2012 at 10:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • chancho

      Maybe we should just wait for trillions of dollars to be created out of a loud noise. then our problems will be solved.

      December 4, 2012 at 2:27 am | Report abuse |
  57. Robyn

    "Feed the hungry, clothe the poor, heal the sick. Lift up thy brother in time of need."
    Doesn't sound much like the Republican's "every man for himself" coward's creed, does it?

    December 3, 2012 at 9:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dan

      Jesus was concerned that individual people cared about the poor. He didn't really make a statement on whether that care should take the form of government assistance or private charity. I prefer private charity because I think our government is a model of inefficiency, and most money directed towards the poor ends up in the pockets of politicians. Private charities have a much better record of making sure the poor actually get the money that is intended for them.

      December 3, 2012 at 11:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • Crispycritter

      As usual, liberals take commands that are intended for individuals to fulfill and obey and shift that responsibility into the hands of corrupt politicians and bureaucrats. It makes them feel better about themselves while they are sitting on the couch eating Cheetos and watching Oprah.

      December 3, 2012 at 11:48 pm | Report abuse |
  58. Bible-Believer

    References in Chapter 30, please? Can we please quit quote the scriptures without citing them?

    December 3, 2012 at 9:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jesus

      Use the internet to look something up. It's why I told Al to invent it.

      December 3, 2012 at 9:55 pm | Report abuse |
  59. mat

    I read people going back and forth on this topic and I have to say its ridiculous.Spirituality is within and people have no right to speak for Jesus.This whole story is out of place.What happened to separation between church and state? Religion and Government are separate for a reason.

    December 3, 2012 at 9:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ron Lane

      :)~

      December 3, 2012 at 9:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Crispycritter

      So individual Christians have no right to speak on matters of economics? Please throw your left-wing college liberal indoctrination degree in the trash, think for yourself, and read the Constitution while you are at it.

      December 3, 2012 at 11:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      Actually, Matthew 16:18 says that Christ gave Peter the authority to "bind and loose" and the power of the "keys to the kingdom." He also left the apostles the power to forgive or retain sins in John 20:19-23. These powers and authority reside with the Catholic Church, the Church Christ founded on Peter. You should make a valid confession before you die.

      December 4, 2012 at 12:55 am | Report abuse |
  60. Rock

    Give to Ceasar what is Ceasars.

    December 3, 2012 at 9:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jesus

      Pizza pizza?

      December 3, 2012 at 9:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • God

        Son, That is NOT Funny... Now Go Smack your Mama.

        December 3, 2012 at 9:50 pm | Report abuse |
        • Jesus

          My new stepdad Joseph said he was going to buy me a bike.... I hate you.

          December 3, 2012 at 9:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • albert

      That is exactly what Jesus said about taxes when he was asked about them. Pay Caesars things to Caesar. This article shows how little the author knows about the Bible. Anything else is pure speculation.

      December 3, 2012 at 9:45 pm | Report abuse |
  61. YBP

    It doesn't matter what Jesus would do, because he's a fictitious character with an allegorical name which means "savior." Please read Ellegard, Ehrman, Loftus, Carrier, Price, Crossan, Borg, Mack, Pagels, Funk, Dawkins, Harris, Hitchens, Sanders, Wells, Vermes and Levine, as I have.

    It doesn't matter what it says in the Bible about taxes (or anything else for that matter), because the Bible is a collection of Bronze Age religious/cultural documents from another country that precede the Scientific Age by more than 20 centuries. (!)

    End of discussion.

    Science and Reason. Not hocus and pocus.

    December 3, 2012 at 9:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • crazyvermont

      People who speak and write more eloquently then you have ben trying to deny the existence of God for centuries, but have failed. There's a scripture which says "heaven and earth will pass away, but my word will never pass away".....just simple fact unlike the theory of evolution :)

      December 3, 2012 at 9:46 pm | Report abuse |
      • Meow99

        They failed because sheep follow each other in blind faith.

        December 3, 2012 at 9:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • Michael

        Thou knoweth not the difference between hypothesis and theory. Step thee off any tall building for thou art blind to the theory of gravity.

        December 4, 2012 at 9:38 am | Report abuse |
    • God

      **Poof**

      December 3, 2012 at 9:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dan

      By definition, science only capable of examining our natural world. You're trying to make science give you answers to questions that are out of it's realm. There are a lot of questions that science isn't capable of answering, and the existence of God is just one of them.

      December 3, 2012 at 11:12 pm | Report abuse |
      • Crispycritter

        But science is his religion, and he must hold steadfastly to its doctrines. Heresy (actual thought) is not allowed in the cult of scientism.

        December 3, 2012 at 11:54 pm | Report abuse |
        • Michael

          Sorry, Buckwheat, you've gotten it backwards. In science, it is about discovery and understanding by posing a hypothesis and testing through repeatable experimentation, refining said hypothesis until what is expected is what is seen. Put forth the hypothesis before your peers for review and further experimentation until, once verified as the probable (to 99.9%) answer, the hypothesis is considered theory. So free thought is not only desired in science (and math as well) but REQUIRED. Religion, on the other hand, requires one to not think but to accept, blindly, what you're told, what you read, what yu hear from other like minded individuals. DO NOT GET ME WRONG HERE. To each their own; I'm not a believer but I'm not so stupid or close minded as to tell others not to do whatever they feel comfortable with ... just stop shoving your beliefs down my throat. Nobody will know the truth until the moment they die, regardless of which side of the fence they're on.

          December 4, 2012 at 9:47 am | Report abuse |
    • NClaw441

      No serious person denies the historical existence of Jesus. Many challenge His divinity, as is their right. But there are entirely too many historical documents, works of art, our very calendar even, to deny that the man Jesus lived.

      December 4, 2012 at 8:58 am | Report abuse |
      • Bill Whitmire

        Actually, this is not true. Did you know that there are no historians of Jesus' time that wrote a single word about him? His only "proof of existence" is the Bible... which is not proof. There are plenty of figures in the past that didn not truly exist. That's like saying 1000 years from now Spiderman existed because someone found a comic book.

        December 12, 2012 at 2:11 pm | Report abuse |
      • Bill Whitmire

        Perhaps you've heard of Greek mythology? Well, that wasn't always considered mythology.

        December 12, 2012 at 2:13 pm | Report abuse |
  62. Matt

    Why is the titled 'WWJD' when it concentrates on OT law?

    December 3, 2012 at 9:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • YBP

      Jesus, as he was imagined and inserted in human history (after the First Revolt in 70 CE and throughout the early 2nd Century CE) supposedly practiced Judaism, not Christianity. Hence the OT. That would have been his Bible. The NT did not exist in his imaginary lifetime, which supposedly would have been sometime between 8 BCE (when Herod the Great was still alive) and 36 CE the final year that Joseph Caiaphas and Pontius Pilate served together as High Priest and Roman Prefect.

      December 3, 2012 at 9:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • albert

      Because the author is clueless about what the Bible actually says/teaches. Must be a Born Again (make pretend) preacher.

      December 3, 2012 at 9:46 pm | Report abuse |
  63. Lance D.

    OBAMA/PATRICK: Listen to George Michael sing "Older" - All those Massachusetts Middle Income people who turned their anxious eyes to you - the State Drug Lab - Oz Prison Lovers - You are almost "out of time."

    December 3, 2012 at 9:32 pm | Report abuse |
  64. Kelly51

    If I go to the store and buy a chocolate bar and decide to share my chocolate with someone; should I give 3/4 of my bar to the other person so that he too can share half? Why would anyone want to pay for something to get less? That's what's happening in manufacturing and small businesses. Why or how do you hire more people than you can afford. You have to tax the same or no one get's anything. (I sure hope that made sense)
    .

    December 3, 2012 at 9:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jesus

      Imagine I make ten dollars a day and you make one hundred dollars a day and the tax rate is a flat forty percent... At the end of the day, I have six dollars to spend toward my family. You have sixty. Now keep complaining about your sixty dollars while I struggle to feed and clothe my family.

      December 3, 2012 at 9:51 pm | Report abuse |
      • Bill

        At the end of the day, I have paid 40 dollars in taxes and you have paid 4. I have paid 10 times more toward maintaining our govenrment and services. However, with the current system, if you make 10 dollars and I make 100, you pay zero and I pay 35. It wouild be more polite to simply say thank you, than to ask me to pay 50.

        December 3, 2012 at 10:42 pm | Report abuse |
        • Dan

          checkmate.

          December 3, 2012 at 11:13 pm | Report abuse |
        • NClaw441

          Bill, well said. And all of that before we even take a look at what the government does with your 35 dollars, which is to waste about 25 dollars of it through fraud and waste, and to distribute to others, some in need, some feigning need.

          December 4, 2012 at 9:01 am | Report abuse |
  65. Michael

    In the parable of the talents, each did not receive the same amount. The one who had the most made the most profit and inherited the most kingdoms. The one who had the least had even what he had taken away from him.

    December 3, 2012 at 9:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • albert

      Very poor logic since the talents had nothing to do with taxes which is what this article is about.

      December 3, 2012 at 9:41 pm | Report abuse |
  66. Tom

    WWJD? Jesus was a very nuanced man, but this one bears repeating;

    And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

    December 3, 2012 at 9:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • Crispycritter

      Why? Because for most (not all) money is their god and they refuse to bow the knee to their creator and instead find security in their status and cash. But this is not relevant to the argument at hand. In the case of many bloggers here, the state is their god and he must be appeased by a steady inflow of other people's money.

      December 4, 2012 at 12:02 am | Report abuse |
  67. Lance D.

    Jesus would tell Obama to sign the GOP budget proposal into law tomorrow, then focus on helping his people - the ones who voted for him -find good jobs as promised before re-election. CNN will monitor the monthly unemployment rates by STATE AND RACE for you - to praise you for the progress, and punish you for deceitful failure. Your people will punish you if you fail to keep your promise. Massachusetts will punish your "close intimate friend" Deval Patrick for neglecting the State drug Lab crisis - many let free from state prison - Oz Prison Lovers - while Boston Hot Lips campaigned for you. He expected you to deliver for his Massachusetts Middle Income peoples in return. You were suppose to get Congress to sign the Middle Class Tax Cuts before the end of the first week after re-election. Massachusetts works so hard for you right? Do you remember how hard Massachusetts worked for you Obama? Do you? The House and Commonwealth GOP remembers how hard they worked for you also, poo poo.

    December 3, 2012 at 9:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tom

      Hmm? You think the man who fed the hungry, healed the sick, clothed the naked, comforted the poor, championed the meek and urged the rich to abandon their wealth, would urge the adoption of a budget that protects the rich and the military at the expense of the poor and sick? And you think you're fit to speak as to what he would do?

      Wow.

      December 3, 2012 at 9:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • crazyvermont

        Jesus also believed in earning your keep and working for a living. All of his disciples as well as ealy missionaries such as Paul earned their keep even while traveling to spread the gospel

        December 3, 2012 at 9:50 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dave Thrush

        You know what the difference between you liberals and Jesus is? He healed the sick, fed the hungry, clothed the poor HIMSELF rather than FORCING others to do all of that work and then making them pay higher taxes to do so through COERCION.Because God gives man FREE WILL to choose to feed the hungry, clothe the poor, heal the sick, unlike you fakers who want to FORCE others to do it...GET IT.

        December 3, 2012 at 10:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dan

        Tom, didn't you just do the exact same thing you criticized the other guy for? By saying 'You think Jesus would do that, and you think you have the right to speak for him?' you're essentially trying to speak for Jesus yourself by saying he would do something different.

        December 3, 2012 at 11:15 pm | Report abuse |
  68. Jesus

    I will tell you what I would do about taxes. First I would remind the rich that they will not be entering into heaven. Its just not going to happen. As I have said before, you have a better chance getting a camel through the eye of a needle. Nothing personal. Its just the cost of material excess.

    Then I would make good on my promise to kill everyone on Earth, bring the ones who feed my ego to paradise and leave the rest of you to suffer eternally.

    December 3, 2012 at 9:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jesus

      Hey, that's my name! Now THERE's a problem I didn't foresee when I invented the world's first and only religion. Just any old person with a stone and chisel, quill and parchment, or keyboard, can speak in my name. -Classic Jesus

      December 3, 2012 at 9:36 pm | Report abuse |
      • mlw

        your statement confuses me.. Christianity was not the first religion.. in fact monotheism is a late entry in the collection of religious doctrines humans have placed belief in.

        December 3, 2012 at 9:51 pm | Report abuse |
        • Jesus

          It was sarcasm, bud. No one ever gets all the sarcasm I put in that book...

          December 3, 2012 at 9:57 pm | Report abuse |
  69. matt

    A flat rate of tax sounds fair for the 100 percent of Americans if you earn 30k 250k or over 1 million thats is what the bible says doesnt it,so why does the 47 percent who pay none or next to noting create a mandate for the president to increase taxes on the people already paying taxes. So are the 47 percent who dont pay tax are they exempt of tithing ? to God i think not !

    December 3, 2012 at 9:11 pm | Report abuse |
  70. Lance D.

    MA Gov Deval Patrick must be foaming out of his mouth right about now - the Commonwealth GOP and Middle-Income citizenry kicking his sorry black butt for not making Obama come through for them despite intense promise. Yes, Deval stomped all over - east to west - demonizing Romney in support of his "very iclose and intimate" friend. Lesson learned, Boston Hot Lips: never make promises a powerful GOP will not let you keep. Just keep sweating it out, little boo boo.

    December 3, 2012 at 8:50 pm | Report abuse |
  71. Jesus

    "And see, this is what happens when people look for morality in religion instead of their own conscience. Stop trying to use my book to justify being an a-hole." -Me (previously unpublished)

    December 3, 2012 at 8:50 pm | Report abuse |
  72. IndependentMinded

    And by the way, we're no longer led by the Old Testament. Our Lord died on the cross to bring us to the New Covenant. Barry is right - if you're going to follow the Old Testament you need to call yourself an Orthodox Jew or some kind of Jew, and start fulfilling every tittle of The Old Law.

    December 3, 2012 at 8:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • YBP

      You have no idea what you're talking about. Not a single clue. Read up on your religion and the religion that Jesus supposedly practiced.

      December 3, 2012 at 9:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Crispycritter

      So you are saying there are no principles in the OT that can help look at this topic from a Biblical perspective? Your Pastor (if you even go to a church) is not serving you well. That, or you are not listening well.

      December 4, 2012 at 12:11 am | Report abuse |
  73. Lance D.

    The Jewish Pharisees tried to trap Jesus by asking if it was "lawful" to pay taxes. Jesus held a coin to their faces in front of the crowd and asked, "Whose face is on this coin?" They all shouted CAESAR! "Therefore, pay back to Caesar what is Caesar's, and render to Jehovah God's what is Jehovah God's." The Pharisees walked away mumbling, waiting for another day. That said, CNN should stay out of the economic forecast, much like it should the election prediction, business for now. Way too many unpredictable variables. The added effect of Obamacare and load on State and Local governments because of decreased federal revenue. Unemployment has its costs, including lower tax base up, down and all around. Let CNN do something more useful the next few months: monitor unemployment rates by STATE and RACE to see how well "Obama Mouth" translates into expected action for those who voted for him: the lower-to-middle income minorities. CNN does not even have to do THAT - unless those people are total blind idiots, they will let their voices be heard loud enough. All we can do at this point is "wait and see."

    December 3, 2012 at 8:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • YBP

      Lance, when Jesus was imagined to be a real historical person, and those words were placed on his lips, it was understood that what he meant was: "Pay Rome absolutely nothing. Rome is not entitled to even a grain of sand of this Holy Land! Nothing in Palestine belongs to Caesar! So pay him his due. Nothing!" And that, my friend, buys you a specially designed post (and perhaps two, or maybe four nails) outside the city gate, no questions asked. Read about your religion and the religion that Jesus was said to practice.

      December 3, 2012 at 9:54 pm | Report abuse |
      • Thomas

        incorrect.

        December 4, 2012 at 8:35 am | Report abuse |
      • Krabz

        "it was understood that what he meant"........by you only.

        December 4, 2012 at 10:46 am | Report abuse |
      • TR6

        I would think that if the grand, ultimate, supreme, omnipotent, omniscient god of the universe meant “never” he would have said “never”

        December 4, 2012 at 4:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Milton Platt

      There will be no cation until Republicans stop blocking action. If they think his policies are so bad, they only need to pass them all and it will assure a Republican president is reelected in four years, right? Maybe they are afraid his policies might work........

      December 3, 2012 at 10:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • Crispycritter

        Or they are afraid his policies will speed up our already rapid descent.

        December 4, 2012 at 12:14 am | Report abuse |
  74. Jesus

    "You lack one thing; go, sell what you own, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me." -Me

    December 3, 2012 at 8:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Susie

      WWhat does this have to do with voting for increased taxes?

      December 3, 2012 at 9:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jesus

        The above article is about how people should pay a flat tax because it could be interpreted that the Bible recommends it. I say the Bible FLAT OUT SAYS that the rich should give all they have to the poor if they want to go to heaven.

        That's what it has to do with it.

        December 3, 2012 at 9:20 pm | Report abuse |
        • curious

          I was raised by protestant missionary parents, I graduated magna cum laude with a bachelors in theology before I went out into the world and promptly realized that christianity was wacked. That said, my only response to your portrayal of Jesus is AMEN.

          December 3, 2012 at 9:34 pm | Report abuse |
        • crazyvermont

          @curious....would say you were trying to live by rules not following Christ. I started reading the Bible to prove God didn't exist.........it radically changed my life.

          December 3, 2012 at 9:54 pm | Report abuse |
        • Jake

          Jesus is on point here.. Give to the poor not to government. One of the big mistakes we are all making here is believing the way to give to the poor is to give to the government so they can give to the poor. but the US government is not a charity... If it is it is a horrible one.
          We should give until it hurts but not to government.
          But to answers the question WWJD? He would walk along side you and die for your sake. Go and do likewise

          December 4, 2012 at 8:57 am | Report abuse |
        • Krabz

          I say that you're richer than me. Give me your stuff.

          December 4, 2012 at 10:48 am | Report abuse |
  75. Jesus

    "Then the king will say to those at his right hand, "Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me." -Me

    December 3, 2012 at 8:39 pm | Report abuse |
  76. IndependentMinded

    This is a very interesting post. I haven't read them all, but I did notice the post about the rich man from the Gospel of Luke. A key verse that Anonymous omitted from Luke 12:48: "From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked." I think that's self explanatory.

    The reason we have unions and entitlements today is because the haves have historically refused to help the have nots. As a fundamentalist Christian, I am at a loss to respond to my brothers and sisters who so jealously guard their mammon, when they know that should not be there priority. What about love (the greatest commandment of all)? What about Charity? What about visiting the sick and imprisoned? I'm afraid those of us who are trying to keep taxes low so we can fill our barns with wealth will have some hard questions to answer on the Day of Judgment. It's time we think for ourselves and realize that neither political party will help us serve our Lord.

    Paraphrasing: "My concern is not whether God is on my side. My greatest concern is to be on God's side." –Abraham Lincoln

    December 3, 2012 at 8:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • Susie

      Dont forget the verse about if you don't work you don't eat.

      December 3, 2012 at 9:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • IndependentMinded

        So we let the elderly and disabled starve?

        December 3, 2012 at 9:05 pm | Report abuse |
      • curious

        please tell us, where is that verse? Is that in the GOP translation?

        December 3, 2012 at 9:36 pm | Report abuse |
        • TheTruth

          2 Thessalonians 3:9-11 "We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate. 10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”11 We hear that some among you are idle and disruptive. They are not busy; they are busybodies."

          December 3, 2012 at 9:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Really?

      Independent Minded: The fundamental flaw with the argument is the BIG assumption that additional taxes will mean the government will give more to the poor (perfect noble lie!). . vs. creating a bigger government, that costs more money to run. Based on a recent Huffington Post survey http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/20/study-less-religious-stat_n_1810425.html, more religious states (typically in the South) have been giving more to charity, miraculously without the assistance of a bigger government.

      December 3, 2012 at 9:12 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jesus

        Those liberal states in the northeast? They also have the lowest poverty rates in the nation, thus they have less to give to. Those states that give the most, the very conservative Alabama, Miss., Tenn., and S. Carolina (with the exception of Utah), have some of the HIGHEST poverty rates.

        Not surprisingly, the education stats follow almost exactly the same pattern...

        December 3, 2012 at 9:32 pm | Report abuse |
        • Really?

          In that same passage you quoted earlier, in Matt 19:16-17, Jesus first instructed the rich man to keep his commandments. "Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.” See Deuteronomy 5:11 “You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name."

          December 3, 2012 at 9:49 pm | Report abuse |
        • Really?

          And, based on 2009 poverty statistics, New York and Maine were both below the national U.S. poverty rate of 12.6%.

          December 3, 2012 at 9:52 pm | Report abuse |
        • crazyvermont

          Of course you fail to mention those same states who have the least poverty are totally broke. Guess you can be well educated and a fool .....which seems to be the norm for so many of the enlightened sates such as California, Illinois etc.

          December 3, 2012 at 9:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jesus

        “You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name."

        Oh, *I* don't believe any of that BS, but if you're going to base YOUR life on it you should probably go by those much touted red letters instead of making it up as you go along.

        December 3, 2012 at 10:01 pm | Report abuse |
  77. Libscreatemigraines

    Jesus would kick every able bodied person on disability out into the street and admonish them about being lazy.. He believed in helping those that were truly in need of help and truly poor through no fault of their own.. Its no crime to be poor, it is one to continue being poor with no effort to get out of poverty.. Too many Americans just stay poor because its simply easier and they get some assistance from the government.. What liberals have done to our society is NOT biblical in any way, fashion or form.. Jesus would be a benevolent Republican. One who took care of his money but found ways to assist the poor OUTSIDE of government.

    December 3, 2012 at 8:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Flanders

      "Benevolent Republican" is an oxymoron; you, however, are just a moron.

      December 3, 2012 at 8:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • Clear and Present Thinker

        Amen!

        December 3, 2012 at 8:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Deez

      Jesus sounds like a terrible person. Why do you follow him?

      December 3, 2012 at 8:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • curious

      please tell me in the bible where it said that Jesus had any money to take care of.

      December 3, 2012 at 9:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • crazyvermont

        Jesus and disciples must have had some finances as Judas was in charge of the money.....try reading the good book:)

        December 3, 2012 at 9:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Barry

      Yeah, that's right. All these little kids, seniors and people with disabilities just sitting around really bugs me. lol

      December 3, 2012 at 10:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • idiotsayswhat?!?!

      It's WWJD, not WWYD. I think that show is on ABC friday evenings..

      December 4, 2012 at 10:41 am | Report abuse |
    • You Christians are such gold bricks

      “but found ways to assist the poor OUTSIDE of government.“

      But that’s the problem. You right thinking Christians™ don’t give to the poor at all. Perhaps a few scraps from the table after you’ve taken very good care of your selves. But America is the richest country in the word and 80% of Americans are Christian. So if just half the Christians gave just half as much as you like to pretend they do. There wouldn’t be a single hungry, ragged or homeless person left in America

      December 4, 2012 at 4:39 pm | Report abuse |
  78. Barry

    Well, if we're serious about doing things by the book, then we had better start planning for our Year of Jubilee, the year that came once every 49 years, where any and all debts owed to anyone were completely erased.

    December 3, 2012 at 8:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • curious

      Hear hear!!! But I thought the year of Jubilee was every 7 years?

      December 3, 2012 at 9:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • crazyvermont

        50 my friend.....typical response when getting people who know just parts of scripture and no context

        December 3, 2012 at 9:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mordecai

      Amen, Brother Barry.

      December 3, 2012 at 9:48 pm | Report abuse |
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