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Christians divided on gun control
Gun control is a tense and divisive debate within Christianity.
January 8th, 2013
06:00 AM ET

Christians divided on gun control

By Jim Roope, CNN

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(CNN) – One of the most intense battlefields in today's gun control debate is happening inside Christianity.

Christians of every stripe; conservative, moderate and liberal tend to agree with the Gospel's message of love and peace. However, they don’t agree on what that Gospel message means.

[:43] “Christian Ethics begins with love of neighbor; love and care of neighbor...We live in a country in which we have 10 or 20 times more gun murders than other comparable countries. It seems guns are a huge factor.”  – David Heim, executive editor of Christian Century Magazine.

[1:28] “When the next monster walks into a theater, mall, restaurant, college campus or grade school and begins to shoot and kill innocent men, women and children…who’s going to shoot back?” – Mark Rogers, founder of Christiangunowner.com.

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    January 14, 2013 at 12:37 pm | Report abuse |
  2. saggyroy

    Pro-life types carrying weapons that kill.

    January 9, 2013 at 6:03 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Vic

    I believe this is a “Humanitarian” issue AND NOT a “Legal” NOR a “Religious” one!

    It ails me when people in the media argue that causalities can be reduced by regulating the number of bullets in clips!

    EVERY INDIVIDUAL IS A “PERSON” AND NOT A NUMBER NOR A STATISTIC!

    "Disregard to Human Life" is the problem! THAT IS EVIL! (Read about Cain and Abel)

    If everyone upheld the "Sanctity of Life," there would be no murders, killings or any physical harm! It would even go further than that; there would be no mistreatment for the most part!

    A lot of people put all their faith in "Gun Control Laws!" Well, "Gun Control Laws" are logical protective measures but they are NOT the solution!

    By the way, although I don't care for assault weapons owned by civilians, I believe they would be a necessity in case of an invasion or a tyrannical government! That's the reason behind the 2nd Amendment!

    The key ingredient of the real "Gun Control" is "Self Control!!!" That can only come from the aforementioned "Upholding the Sanctity of Life!"

    The "Sanctity of Life" is encompassed by what the Lord Jesus Christ said while under the Law:

    John 13:34
    "34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.”

    Although, as Christians, we are not under the Law since the “Dispensation of Grace,” we and all humanity need to protect life here on earth! That's part of God's Natural Law just like breathing, eating, avoiding danger, and so on and so forth!!! (God endowed all humans with certain unalienable rights one of which is the "Sanctity of Life")

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident ... that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, and among these life ..."

    ~ Declaration of Independence

    Now, how do we achieve "Upholding the Sanctity of Life" by and each individual?! I believe we can only educate people to do so! It is a grassroots effort!

    January 9, 2013 at 10:43 am | Report abuse |
  4. Rico53

    There is nothing wrong with Christians carrying weapons for self defense , Why ,because Jesus approved it, when the church leaders came to arrest Jesus in the garden, the apostle Paul pulled his sword and cut a mans ear off, and what did Jesus say to him , Stop,there will be a time for the sword, but this is not it .So what does this teach us ,
    1. The apostles carried weapons while in the company of Jesus.
    2. Paul was apparently skilled with his sword , he bested his enemy easily.
    So i have GODS approval to carry a weapon for self defense and i will use it.

    January 9, 2013 at 9:03 am | Report abuse |
  5. Brian

    I don't understand how one who claims to follow Christ would advocate the use of aggressive deadly force against others. The argument that a Christian can turn to violence to defend others can be supported, the argument to defend yourself is very weak, but there is no argument that can justify a christian being the violent aggressor, especially for theft and slavery.

    January 9, 2013 at 1:47 am | Report abuse |
    • John Tokalenko

      Which Christians here are advocating AGGRESSIVE deadly force? If someone attacks my family with criminal intent, I am commanded to defend my own. That's called DEFENSIVE deadly force.

      January 9, 2013 at 2:03 am | Report abuse |
      • Brian

        Christians advocating state action against gun owners/manufacturers/retailers.

        January 9, 2013 at 2:06 am | Report abuse |
        • John Tokalenko

          Huh? Again, which Christians? Against gun owners and allies? All I see are anti-God types advocating "any means necessary" to disarm Americans, Christians or otherwise. While supporting abortion, of course.

          January 9, 2013 at 2:36 am | Report abuse |
  6. John Tokalenko

    Luke 22:36 – Christ commands his follows to carry weapons, and if necessary, sell their clothing to buy them.

    January 9, 2013 at 12:06 am | Report abuse |
  7. Tommy

    who needs guns at home?
    We have God. We have Laws.We have Police
    who needs guns at home ?
    The sixth of the ten commandments reads, “Thou shall not kill
    Why you need guns

    January 8, 2013 at 9:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Greg

      Why do you need a car? Jesus didn't have need of a car. Public transport should be good enough.

      Your thou shalt not kill argument for gun control is nuttier than squirrel poo. A gun is nothing more than a tool that has uses other than killing your fellow man. If you think a gun kills people, your spoon made you fat.

      January 8, 2013 at 10:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kaoticman

      Another translation for the 6th commandment is "Thou shall not murder" which is very different than killing. Slaying another when defending your home, your life and your family is not murder, though it is certainly killing. Many do not really believe it God as you obviously do, or at least do not believe He will defend us from flying bullets. Laws only stop the law abiding, not the criminals, they really only apply after a crime has been committed. And as for the police... while I respect police and their job as a whole, I always remember this quote: "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away". The police can not protect you, and legally they have no duty to do so. They pick up the pieces and find the guilty after the fact, that is their job. If you want protection, see to yourself and don't count on the police for immediate help. There just aren't enough of them for that.

      January 8, 2013 at 11:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Tokalenko

      We have police?! Are you serious? Place thy trust in the police? Dial 9-1-1 and die.

      January 9, 2013 at 12:07 am | Report abuse |
      • necronn99

        your are funny too. You said we have police .. Where were the police at the theater at the schools at the malls. I see you want to be sheep. GO BAAA yourself and move out of America because you all who have the same ideology like this fool are NOT Americans you are blind and stupid.

        January 9, 2013 at 12:35 am | Report abuse |
    • necronn99

      LOL .. Tommy.

      You are the meek that inhabit the earth. You are the blind that cannot see. You are the bearer of false witness. In the world today we stand free because we have the philosophy of defend our country under god. You want to give it away. You all make me sick. Go back to your fake churches and think about this fools; if no one defends this nation by the people it will become by the government so I ask you? where are you? .. Exactly. One day i know you and yours a like will feel oppression because you smell and reek of it.

      January 9, 2013 at 12:32 am | Report abuse |
    • taj

      why must i die because of a idiot with a gun... if i got a gun on me they are going to have to see me im not takking a loss like that

      January 9, 2013 at 7:25 am | Report abuse |
    • Rico53

      Tommy that is wrong ,The original Hebrew manuscript ,the original ten commandments does not say "KILL" the accurate translation is "Thou shalt commit no "murder" not kill ,very different,look it up online .

      January 9, 2013 at 9:15 am | Report abuse |
    • john

      It is a bill of rights, not a bill of needs.

      January 9, 2013 at 2:19 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Jim

    Why does the US have more gun crimes? well usre its partly due to the amount of guns we have but it has WAY more to do with the fact that we have 300 million people in this country. Countries you use as examples to show we have more gun violence are 1/10th of our size.

    January 8, 2013 at 8:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Tokalenko

      America is a land of violence because America is a land of violent people who hate & mock God. Americans have slaughtered 50+ million unborn babies since Roe v. Wade, yet the same individuals who scream about a "woman's right to choose" are screaming about "ending gun violence."

      If America were a land of righteous people, we could have ten times as many firearms, and almost no crime.

      January 9, 2013 at 1:29 am | Report abuse |
      • Jon Arik

        A nation built on killing indigenous people, enslaving others will soon kill her children and live always in fear. Why are Americans the ones that feel the greater need to protect themselves? The wicked runs when no one is pursuing him. There is a curse of unresolvedfear like that of Cain hanging over this Nation. Guns will not solve it. Violence is the judgement on our violent past.

        January 10, 2013 at 11:05 am | Report abuse |
  9. empresstrudy

    Look, the courts circumscribe the Bill of Rights all the time. The 4th, 5th, 8th and the 10th amendment, in particular and the 1st on rare occasions and narrowly. So since we already have a fairly squishy and situational approach to the Constitution, why not for this? It's entirely reasonable not to simply stamp out rights, but to interpret them in such a way so that the State can plant its heavy boot on our necks to suppress them, not completely just enough.

    January 8, 2013 at 7:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Tokalenko

      "Shall not be infringed." Granted BY GOD, not by government. NO MORE "INTERPRETATIONS" CONTRARY TO THE PLAIN ENGLISH OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS! Period!

      January 9, 2013 at 1:30 am | Report abuse |
  10. Reasonably

    Lol – the bible says nothing about guns – only violence. Unless you bible believers want to believe someone's interpretation of the word of your god as it applies to guns.

    Good luck and may your god bless you.

    January 8, 2013 at 7:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jacob

      true i would never own a gun

      January 8, 2013 at 8:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Tokalenko

      The Bible says nothing about computers, either. You're using a satanic device to post your opinions. Throw it in the trash.

      January 9, 2013 at 12:09 am | Report abuse |
      • Darek

        He never said he believed in the same God in you, if he even believes in one.

        January 10, 2013 at 5:41 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Sagebrush Shorty

    What do the Muslims think?

    January 8, 2013 at 4:28 pm | Report abuse |
  12. NoTags

    This is not an argument about scripture. I would wager that none of the shooters in the last 4 incidents in the U.S. that got the most publicity are either atheists of followers of the 'new age religion'. In the past 2 decades men ages 17-29 have been steadily moving away from Christianity.

    January 8, 2013 at 4:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • jimmf

      I can tell you that guys like Adam Lanza had no fear of punishment in the next life which tells you something.

      He committed suicide rather than facing punishment in this life but he had no fear of eternal punishment.

      January 8, 2013 at 4:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE

        WE FREEAK OUT OVER GUNS BUT WHAT DO WE DO OVER SEAS, WE USE THEM TO KILL INNOCENT PEPOPLE. gun control in the us should slightly more controled but pricing should not go up its dumb to think its a guns fault i know of more ppl who could hurt you worse nd quicker with a ball point pen or knife anything is a wapon just guns arewhat we focus on get your mind off the bullshit and realize its the people not the weapons

        January 8, 2013 at 5:58 pm | Report abuse |
      • mike

        He also had a mental disorder that God gave him. Clearly someone who kills his mother and 20 children is 100% with it. ;)

        January 8, 2013 at 6:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • NoTags

      Correction: Remove the words 'none of' in the 2nd sentence. Sorry, my thoughts were going one way, and my fingers another.

      January 8, 2013 at 4:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE

      agreed

      January 8, 2013 at 5:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Tokalenko

      Luke 22:36 commands Christians to possess weapons.

      January 9, 2013 at 1:31 am | Report abuse |
  13. Important Question

    If you're a member of PETA and the NRA, do you advocate shooting only people?

    January 8, 2013 at 4:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • jimmf

      Is that the only alternative? How about target shooting? Is there a PASLO? (People Against the Shooting of Lifeless Objects)

      January 8, 2013 at 4:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Juan

      NRA believes people of all races, creeds, and sexes, should have the right to defend themselves and their loved ones with the best tools for the job, which happen to be firearms. Taking away these types of rifles is just another step towards disarmament. No, it's not total disarmament, but how many of you are aware of the massive amounts of rifles, pistols, and shotguns we can't have? This is just another in that long, long list. It has to stop somewhere, and now seems like as good a time as any.

      January 8, 2013 at 6:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Tokalenko

      People do not buy fire extinguishers with the plan of shooting them off. Most people who are not hunters or plinkers do the same with guns: we have them in case evil people come to harm us or our families.

      January 9, 2013 at 1:34 am | Report abuse |
  14. Scuromondo

    It's all covered in the Sermon on the Mount:

    Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
    But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, smite him thricefold with thine AR-15. And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, strike him with furious vengence using thine Glock. And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, cutteth him down to go none. Pop both barrels into him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee, pop a cap into him forthwith.
    —Matthew 5:38–5:42 KJV

    January 8, 2013 at 4:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • jimmf

      That's funny. But let's face it, it serves your warped views.

      You want to debate a point, Bring it on.

      January 8, 2013 at 4:07 pm | Report abuse |
      • WachetAuf

        It actually says it all.

        January 8, 2013 at 4:16 pm | Report abuse |
      • Will

        Do the words of Jesus make you uncomfortable? They're just doing their job.

        January 8, 2013 at 4:19 pm | Report abuse |
        • jimmf

          OK Will. You do know those are the words of Scuromundo, not Jesus. Do you?

          January 8, 2013 at 4:30 pm | Report abuse |
        • John Tokalenko

          "Or again, how can anyone enter a strong man's house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can rob his house.

          Jesus Christ, at Matthew 22:39

          How does one "tie up" a strong man other than by overpowering him? Does one "tie up" an armed man?

          January 9, 2013 at 1:37 am | Report abuse |
    • John Tokalenko

      Jesus said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

      Luke 22:36

      January 9, 2013 at 1:35 am | Report abuse |
  15. JC

    Jesus had two names--JESUS CHRIST--where as He begin His journey He was shepherd and a savior, He advocated turning the other cheek and love your neihbor as your self etc. But, after calvery His name became CHRIST JESUS where CHRIST was the emphasis. CHRIST was a ruler, a KING . He is the LORD OF HOST. The ruler of an army. He was the stone that david picked up to kill goliath. He don t just believe in guns--He's the One who put the 2nd Amendment in the Constitution. He doesn't believe in murder but He believes in killing--what about Sodom and Gom. Oh, You think that's the old test. and He wasn't there. He wants us to live as ONE NATION UNDER GOD where HEcan rule with Love and we just turn the other cheek, love our neighbors, have good communities etc. Throuhgout history God has had an armed people. When those people got out of control He sent prophets to line them up or He sent a wicked nation to WAR against them until they woke up; but with God our best defence is an armed population. It just needs to be a moral population that knows how to use respect a gun. HE IS A WARRIOR A KING LORD OF HOST

    January 8, 2013 at 4:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • WachetAuf

      The weakest of minds seek to be ruled and to rule. They say that their governing model is GOD. Has it never occurred to anyone that GOD, for thousands of years (if you accept Bibical time frames), or for for millions of years (if you accept evolutionary theory) has never once, ruled this earth or its inhabitants? GOD (real or imagined) has just moved on and left it to US to manage ourselves and our petty disputes. Jesus (God or not) gave us a manual – TOLERANCE is the management tool he offered us. TOLERANCE is not authoritarian and make no one a ruler. Only a collaborator.

      January 8, 2013 at 4:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Physician and Hunter

      See professional mental health care, quickly.

      January 8, 2013 at 4:17 pm | Report abuse |
  16. Paul

    Jesus wouldn't own a gun or advocate their use even is self-defense. He wouldn't advocate the use of force to prevent others from owning a gun.

    January 8, 2013 at 3:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • jimmf

      Jesus did not come to make the local neighborhood watch. Turn the other cheek addresses the verbal attacks that will come. A Christian acknowledges the presence of evil in this world. Being Christian does not mean you must lay down when confronted with evil. Guns are defensive weapons. Unfortunately, they are also used for senseless violence like other materials such as fertilizer (ask Timothy McVeigh).

      January 8, 2013 at 4:09 pm | Report abuse |
      • LOLOL

        And just like with McVey, you can not purchase large amounts of fertilizer without Smokey on you. There is a big difference between gun control and gun bans. EVERYONE loves gun control, no one in their right mind would allow an infant, extremely young, uneducated child, serial killer, mentally unstable, etc from owning one so why is the term gun control being treated like a 4 letter word? Money. The big lobbyists do not give a darn about you, me, or God. They couldn't care less if you defend yourself or get shot by an attacker. As long as they can continue to represent companies that make the guns, they dont care what happens after its been manufactured. They care so little that they will do what ever it takes to make you think the only way you could ever be safe is by killing someone.

        January 8, 2013 at 5:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Tokalenko

      You're speculating. Jesus DID own a scourge of cords, which was a vicious weapon. He also told His followers to buy swords.

      January 9, 2013 at 1:39 am | Report abuse |
  17. Jesus & Allah should do lunch.

    Has it not occured to any of you that millions upon millions of people have died in the name of religion? Many of you sound just as ridiculous as the militant Islamists. I'm pretty sure that if god came down today, he would be ashamed of all of us. Ashamed.

    January 8, 2013 at 3:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Tokalenko

      Hundreds of millions have died because of atheistic government.

      January 9, 2013 at 1:39 am | Report abuse |
  18. WachetAuf

    The comments of the good old boys do have a ring of truth and I sympathize. They have good reason to protect themselves and their families. The so called gun debate is the pure hystrionics and hysteria. The good old boys will keep their weapons. There are few in this country who would take their weapons away.

    However, when some other good old boy (who seems to talk the talk and walk the walk) finally persuades most of them that our society is being threatened by some evil force, non-believers, or communists, or socialists, or Muslims, or fascists, those same old boys will become the oppressors. Guns and assault weapons always trump the rule of law.

    Ultimately, in the coming revolution the smarter of the good old boys (and there are many of them who want to do the right thing for all) will ask questions of their leaders, and rightly so in a democratic society. However, because leaders of revolutions never like questions, the less intelligent ones will occupy the essential and central positions of power. Less intelligent people ask no questions and have no ability to read or comprehend Jesus' message of tolerance; no ability to understand Jefferson's concern about the fragile nature of our government; or just what are the differences between Stalinism, fascism and a constitutional democracy or why it matters. Those are the ones who are always entrusted to do the bidding of their leaders.

    January 8, 2013 at 3:51 pm | Report abuse |
  19. Amazed

    Christ equals love equals guns that kill people. Something radically wrong with that equation. By the way, one of the big lies of the NRA is that guns don't kill when people with guns not people without guns shoot and kill people.

    January 8, 2013 at 3:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Tokalenko

      People with cars kill people. People intoxicated with alcohol kill people. Abortionists with vacuum machines kill unborn babies.

      January 9, 2013 at 1:41 am | Report abuse |
  20. rosaadriana

    Christians divided on gun control. That is hysterical, I doubt Jesus carried a gun or any other weapon for that matter. What a bunch of hypocrites.

    January 8, 2013 at 3:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • TheTruth

      His disciples carried swords (guns didn't exist back then).

      January 8, 2013 at 3:59 pm | Report abuse |
      • mike

        When someone kills 26 people in school with a sword, then we'll talk about swords. Until then....

        January 8, 2013 at 6:07 pm | Report abuse |
        • John Tokalenko

          Abortionists kill 3,000 unborn children EACH DAY. Ready to talk about overturning Roe v. Wade?

          Yeah, that's what I thought...

          January 9, 2013 at 1:42 am | Report abuse |
  21. electedface

    Two years ago a member of Congres was shot. Today, the U.S. has averaged more than 18 gun deaths every day since the Newtown School shooting.

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_hZQPpCJ1M&w=640&h=390]

    January 8, 2013 at 3:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ducimus

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooa98FHuaU0&w=640&h=390]

      January 8, 2013 at 3:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Tokalenko

      Abortionists kill 3,000 unborn children EACH DAY. Ready to talk about overturning Roe v. Wade?

      January 9, 2013 at 1:43 am | Report abuse |
  22. John

    Luke 10:25-28
    To inherit eternal life:
    Love God and l love your neighbor as you love yourself.

    Additional reading Matt. 5:44-45

    January 8, 2013 at 3:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • jimmf

      My Christian friend just told me about how he was being attacked and his neighbor came out of his house with a gun and the attackers ran away.

      That neighbor loved my friend like he loved himself.

      AMEN!!!!!

      January 8, 2013 at 3:36 pm | Report abuse |
      • rosaadriana

        I doubt your story is real. I've been alive 50 years and know 1000s of people and don't know anyone who knows anyone who ever chased some intruder out of their house with a gun. However, I do know kids who were accidentally shot when they "played" with their Daddy's gun.

        January 8, 2013 at 3:42 pm | Report abuse |
        • TheTruth

          Americans use their guns 3.5 times as often to stop crimes as criminals use theirs to commit them (source: FBI Uniform Crime Report).

          January 8, 2013 at 4:01 pm | Report abuse |
        • jimmf

          Sorry Rosa,

          He did tell me that and we were not talking about gun control. He lives in a rough neighborhood so I believe him.

          Do you regularly call people liars. If so, that doesn't reflect well on you as a person.

          January 8, 2013 at 4:04 pm | Report abuse |
        • jimmf

          One more correction Rosa, it was outside his house where thugs are. It seems that this situation would not be that unusual considering the neighborhood.

          January 8, 2013 at 4:12 pm | Report abuse |
  23. brigance007

    You people, even supposed Christians, love your guns more than you do your own community. Dare I say you idolize guns to the point where it's a religion in and of itself? I'm no Christian but my understanding of Christ tells me that he would be telling people to lay down their arms and instead of trying to argue the merits of carrying around assault rifles.

    January 8, 2013 at 3:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • jimmf

      Another one?

      All Christians must lay down and allow the slaughter of the innocents because that is what Jesus wants.

      You people are really sick.

      January 8, 2013 at 3:19 pm | Report abuse |
      • John

        Jesus command that I must love you and pray for you.

        January 8, 2013 at 3:25 pm | Report abuse |
        • jimmf

          Thanks. I appreciate that!

          January 8, 2013 at 3:32 pm | Report abuse |
      • brigance007

        No, you're correct, guns do lead to salvation and it's really all about your right to possess any kind of gun. And why even stop there? What about tanks, artillery, and everything else that loosely falls under the category of guns? These are all needed for protection, especially if the big, bad government comes along. Really, it's all just paranoia, and even though I'm not Christian, I will always respect the impact Christ had on human civilization, including the fact he would never worship an inanimate object.

        January 8, 2013 at 6:05 pm | Report abuse |
        • John Tokalenko

          He would tell you that child sacrifice in the name of "choice" is perhaps today's ultimate abomination. Do you oppose abortion?

          January 9, 2013 at 1:45 am | Report abuse |
    • John Tokalenko

      Luke 22:36

      Ready to give up your "right" to an abortion?

      January 9, 2013 at 1:44 am | Report abuse |
  24. Andrew

    On this point, American Christianity is an utter farce. Jesus didn't pack and he didn't resist. He also commanded against self defense. He pointed to Love and Sacrifice, not Empire.

    January 8, 2013 at 3:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • jimmf

      Isn't it amazing how you have so much more understanding of Christianity than heroic Christians that gave their lives for others.

      You are SO smart!

      January 8, 2013 at 3:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sean

      So you are telling we have to arm the priest who is performing the sacrament of Holly Eucharisst

      January 8, 2013 at 3:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • Punster

        "Holly Eucharist"??? Is that what you receive at the Christmas Mass?

        January 8, 2013 at 3:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sean

      THE GREATEST WEOPON IN THIS WORLD IS LOVE , LOVE AND LOVE. IF YOU LOVE ONE ANOTHER, YOU CAN CONQUER ANYTHING

      January 8, 2013 at 3:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • TheTruth

      Sorry Andrew – Jesus told his disciples to carry a sword. Always best to get your facts straight.

      January 8, 2013 at 4:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Tokalenko

      Jesus used a weapon against the moneychangers, and He told His followers to buy swords. I guess someone only reads the Queen James "Bible."

      January 9, 2013 at 1:47 am | Report abuse |
      • mrdhavidee

        "Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword."(Matthew 26:52)

        January 12, 2013 at 12:35 pm | Report abuse |
  25. Sugar

    Clearly the military assault rifles need to be banned.....but gun control over the whole nation will not stop the violence. We do not need a magnifying glass to see the effects of the breakdown of the family, and the overall effect of our violent, valueless culture on this generation, throw in drugs and a world that is struggling on every level – and you have the recipe for all of our problems. Lets just look at the violence on TV......let alone video games and movies....STAGGERING!!! They study to sell us a bottle of coke....but the violence on every form of media is not supposed to affect us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WAKE UP!!!

    January 8, 2013 at 2:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve

      Wow Sugar – good word!! Wouldn't it be FANTASTIC if Piers Morgan went after Hollywood instead of the public who wants to keep their guns....that would really tell me he is serious

      January 8, 2013 at 2:57 pm | Report abuse |
      • Andrew

        Violent images need to be crushed, not the guns of reality? Got it. You're nuts.

        January 8, 2013 at 3:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • TheTruth

      Sorry Sugar, but (according to the FBI) the murder rate was higher before we had all this viloence on TV and in video games. Doesn't seem to make sense, but it's a numerically proven fact.

      January 8, 2013 at 4:07 pm | Report abuse |
  26. Dhani Schimizzi

    I LOVE my President, but as gadfly I enjoy 'sticking it' to him when I think America's on the wrong path: currently it's the failure to see Gun Control & Mental Health as ONE problem, not two! A SANE Markman or Deer Hunter are not going to be gunning down kids.

    January 8, 2013 at 2:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • PK

      At Dhani, You are right, until they figure out how to keep guns away from the mentally ill who are a danger to themselves and others, we will continue to have this same debate every time a gun tragedy happens. Too bad that the NRA and the Christian gun owners aren't even attempting to find a way to resolve this issue. I basically took my brother's gun away from him because of the danger he presented, he went to buy another one and was finally stopped because of federal and state regulations. He is now in a nursing home where he can get the help he needs.

      January 8, 2013 at 3:27 pm | Report abuse |
  27. Jgood

    So this has to be a select group hu? This is an AMERICAN problem, not just one groups problem. This is just rating grabbing in my opinion CNN. Then you get... angry people wishing to say their incredible two cents here about how bad christianity is... its a peanut gallery, thats all this story is.

    This story should tiltled, "Americans divided on gun control" as its ALL OF OUR PROBLEM CNNothing.

    January 8, 2013 at 2:20 pm | Report abuse |
  28. Anna

    I am an ordained pastor in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, and a theologian as well. About two weeks ago, I complied a survey both of official denominational/religious statements on gun control, and lined that up with the self-offered religious affiliations of the incoming congresspeople. You will find that although there is disparity between religious groups, the bulk of official statements support radical gun control measures. You can find the blog here: http://omgcenter.com/2012/12/gun-control-religion-and-politicians/

    January 8, 2013 at 1:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kas

      You as a WOMAN should NOT be a pastor at all, it is in the bible. You are a wicked woman leading the people astray.

      January 8, 2013 at 2:21 pm | Report abuse |
      • jimmf

        What verse is that? I may or may not agree with her opinion but I have seen women that have a great capacity to minister to people.

        January 8, 2013 at 2:35 pm | Report abuse |
        • mike

          Well, does The Bible say women can't do it? It's not a matter of what's fair, rather what God says.

          January 8, 2013 at 2:46 pm | Report abuse |
        • jimmf

          IMO, whatever title you give a woman, they should be utilized for their abilities to minister to people. Even in the sexist society during Jesus's ministry, he appealed to and used women in his ministry.

          January 8, 2013 at 2:53 pm | Report abuse |
        • jimmf

          I did state that the time and place Jesus's ministry had extreme sexism. This includes the culture addressed in Timothy's letter. The instructions given by Timothy addresses the sexism that would have caused enormous harm to the propagation of the Gospel.

          If you can't read the Gospel in accordance with the culture in which it was wriiten, than you won't understand it.

          January 8, 2013 at 3:30 pm | Report abuse |
      • Who's to say

        It's people like you that give Christianity a bad name. You should be ashamed of yourself. You'd be better off being a member of the Taliban...they mistreat woman too.

        January 8, 2013 at 2:46 pm | Report abuse |
        • mike

          1 Timothy 2:12
          New International Version (NIV)

          12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[a] she must be quiet.

          I just did a search and this came up. This may be referring to a wife to a husband, s take it with a grain of salt if you wish though, I do.

          January 8, 2013 at 3:09 pm | Report abuse |
      • ralph

        Kas...you are obviously not a christian and have come onto this blog just to stir up trouble and make others look like the id-iot that you are......ex-posed!!!!

        January 8, 2013 at 2:54 pm | Report abuse |
        • Darrell Copeland

          dude,

          1 Tim 2:13 says women cant be pastors. Just a little FYI.

          January 8, 2013 at 3:13 pm | Report abuse |
        • jimmf

          I did state that the time and place Jesus's ministry had extreme sexism. This includes the culture addressed in Timothy's letter. The instructions given by Timothy addresses the sexism that would have caused enormous harm to the propagation of the Gospel.

          If you can't read the Gospel in accordance with the culture in which it was wriiten, than you won't understand it.

          January 8, 2013 at 3:31 pm | Report abuse |
        • mike

          jimmf, that can apply to the rest of The Bible then, right? That makes sense, considering we've done away with slavery guidelines since abolition. That part of the Bible can just be removed to save space. Now, apply the thinking of the times to nullify the word of God since it doesn't work for today's culture for the rest of The Bible. Someone should let the LGBT community know that God's now OK with what they do.

          January 8, 2013 at 3:59 pm | Report abuse |
        • jimmf

          Sometimes you have to use your brains Mike. Sorry, but things aren't always easy. If Timothy said that women are INFERIOR, I would agree that this would be tough to swallow but he didn't and JESUS certainly did not.

          January 8, 2013 at 4:38 pm | Report abuse |
        • jimmf

          Sorry. I meant Paul's writings.

          January 8, 2013 at 4:48 pm | Report abuse |
        • mike

          Jimmyf, so it sounds like you want to be able to pick and choose when things are to be taken literally by "using your brains". I'd say God should have had to foresight to have all of the Bible applicable for all of time. That doesn't sound so omnipotent to have parts of The Bible meant to be arbitrarily read differently because it's not fitting for the current culture. Also, who's culture? There are parts of the world that still go by this archaic notion that women are lesser. Who's right? Those that still go by that rule, or those that don't?

          January 8, 2013 at 5:41 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Tokalenko

        Did CHRIST say this, or did Paul? Jesus Christ gave Mary Magdalene the honor of announcing His resurrection to the world.

        January 9, 2013 at 1:52 am | Report abuse |
    • Vic

      I never understood Apostle Paul's Letters to Timothy, especially that Apostle Paul heralded the end of the Law and the reign of Grace!

      The closest I've ever gotten was during a modest Bible Study when the teacher explained that Apostle Paul was dealing with specific cultural constraints in Ephesus that would've prevented the propagation of the Message of the Gospel of Jesus Christ back then! He also explained that those instructions don't necessarily apply to us today, especially when it comes to women!

      I stand corrected!

      January 8, 2013 at 4:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Tokalenko

      Mystery Babylon, government-licensed, 501(c)(3) "churches" will do whatever the Babylon government tells them to do and support.

      January 9, 2013 at 1:50 am | Report abuse |
  29. mike

    If Jesus had a gun, he wouldn't have died.

    January 8, 2013 at 1:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Christian Soldier

      Yes, he would have. 1000 times, for you and you alone.

      January 8, 2013 at 1:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • jimmf

      Read the Book. He did so willingly.

      January 8, 2013 at 1:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Impressed

      I was unaware we had a theologian in our midst.

      January 8, 2013 at 2:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • mike

      Those were the right responses. So, why do some Christians want guns again? Certainly not to turn the other cheek.

      January 8, 2013 at 2:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • jimmf

        Jesus did not come to make the local neighborhood watch. Turn the other cheek addresses the verbal attacks that will come. A Christian acknowledges the presence of evil in this world. Being Christian does not mean you must lay down when confronted with evil. Guns are defensive weapons. Unfortunately, they are also used for senseless violence like other materials such as fertilizer (ask Timothy McVeigh).

        January 8, 2013 at 3:04 pm | Report abuse |
        • mike

          So, it sounds like no one should have a gun. Makes sense.

          January 8, 2013 at 3:12 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Tokalenko

        Turning the other cheek refers to letting insults go. It does NOT refer to watching your wife & children be raped and murdered, and blasphemously saying "it is God's Will, so I will do nothing like a coward."

        January 9, 2013 at 1:57 am | Report abuse |
    • BeefCake

      Would a handgun carrying Jesus been a match for DeWalt Nail gun carrying Romans?

      January 8, 2013 at 2:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • fgp999

      Jesus was not a Christia n he was a Jew. Jews loves Guns.

      January 8, 2013 at 3:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • fgp999

      Jesus was not a Christian he was a Jew. And Jews loves Guns.

      January 8, 2013 at 3:09 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Tokalenko

        You mean Jews like Feinstein, Schumer, Boxer, Lautenberg, Foxman, Bloomberg, etc., etc., etc.?

        Oh, wait, yes, that's right, those Jews love guns, FOR THEMSELVES, just not we Goyim peons.

        January 9, 2013 at 2:00 am | Report abuse |
    • John Tokalenko

      Jesus HAD TO die, and He accepted His commission from Our Father. Peter attempted to use his weapon to defend Christ, but since Christ had to undergo His suffering, He told Peter to put his weapon "back in it's place," NOT "throw that tool of the devil away." Christ told Peter to resheath his sword, and to be restrained in pulling it out aggressively ("live by the sword, die by the sword").

      January 9, 2013 at 1:55 am | Report abuse |
  30. Christian Soldier

    As I Christian, I have a particular stance on gun control, which is feet about shoulder-width apart, left hand supporting the right. 2nd amendment isn't there to allow hunting. It's there to allow self defense 1) from tyrannical government (a REAL threat) ; 2) criminal element ; 3) from natural predators.
    Every country that has banned guns either has mass genocide (Ukraine, Germany, Russia, the list is actually too long for this post), OR, a very modern version – MEXICO. Total Gun Ban for Citizens. How's THAT working of for ya, Mexico? Your criminal element drug cartel's are wiping out even the armed police, by the score or hundreds EVERY SINGLE DAY.
    Idiocy is passing laws disarming citizens. Criminals don't obey gun laws. Heck, the US even SENDS the cartel in Mexico plenty of guns (Fast and Furious). Again – How's that working out for you?

    Guns don't kill people. FBI stats show many more US citizens are killed by knives, bats, and blunt objects many, many more times than all gun related deaths combined – including intentional murder, suicide, and accidents.
    The media and government allow this dis-information...why? The government – simple, they want the power. Media – simple. They are stupid drones trying to sell mass-hysteria (what sells) to the citizens.

    You can take my guns when you pry them from my dead, cold hands.

    January 8, 2013 at 1:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • via2

      STRONGLY AGREE my fellow Soldier. Strongly Agree!!!

      January 8, 2013 at 1:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Episcopal Layman

      Oh, right! I can just imagine Jesus writing THAT post. "Turn the other cheek, then shoot them while they're busy switching hands." Your sentiments are not Christian in the least. Get help.

      January 8, 2013 at 1:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • Christian Soldier

        That's so out of context, I won't dignify with a real answer.

        January 8, 2013 at 1:41 pm | Report abuse |
        • sajj

          All you have to do is mention guns, and the drama queens come out of the woodwork. It would be impossible to take all the guns away from people. On the other hand I have never heard of any a plot to take everyones guns from them. this gives some old queen a chance to quote "from my cold dead hands" Needing guns to protect us from the tyranny of our government? Can you be more shrill? Oh and lets quote the bible while were at it. And they say women are drama queens.

          January 8, 2013 at 2:26 pm | Report abuse |
        • Generally, "I won't dignify (that) with a real answer..." means "I can't".

          .

          January 8, 2013 at 2:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • jimmf

        Episcopal Layman would rather witness the slaughter or be victimized rather than stopping evil.

        January 8, 2013 at 1:46 pm | Report abuse |
        • Episcopal Layman

          WRONG I am a gun owner and hunter–I'm just not stup¡d. I have two hunting rifles (30-06, 30-30), total magazine capacity, 6 rounds. I also have a 9mm with an 8 shot capacity and a pump 12 ga with a 4 round magazine. Unless I'm attacked by the cast of a Quentin Tarantino movie, that should suffice. No one has a real need (vice a want– at least my kids understand the difference, even if your ilk doesn't) for a high-cap magazine.

          January 8, 2013 at 4:05 pm | Report abuse |
      • sc10192

        David did not have an assault rifle nor did he turn the other cheek. But he did slay Goliath. Today in America those who seek the slaughter of the innocent are armed and dangerous just as Goliath was so should we not go to the river and pick our stones. I know that I will defend myself and those I love and if I'm going up against people with illegally purchased fully auto rifles I should have the right to legally purchase a semi auto rifle that I can us to defend not only my family but those in my community. I am a Christian and I will follow in David's steps and I will keep my sling loaded

        January 8, 2013 at 2:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Les Coutier

      Good luck if you want to deny me my 2nd Ammendment Rights, and if you decide to change the Constitution you still cannot have my Freedom EVER!!!!!!!!!!!

      January 8, 2013 at 1:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • jimmf

      OK. You guys must stop making these logical arguments. We should be emotionally pursuing the disarming of good people. Now that makes sense.

      January 8, 2013 at 1:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • griffinwild

      did you seriously just cite fast and furious as a serious fact?

      January 8, 2013 at 1:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • Christian Soldier

        It's not a fact that US sent guns into Mexico "in order to track"? The truth is usually serious. So, yeah.
        I did. What part of Mexico having the highest murder rate in the world (while citizens are disarmed), and the US sent more guns TO the Cartel do you NOT understand?

        January 8, 2013 at 1:46 pm | Report abuse |
      • jimmf

        The "GUN CONTROL" Obama Administration handed the guns over to the bad guys. What don't you understand?

        January 8, 2013 at 1:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • factcheck

      Hello Christian Soldier: Unfortunately you don't have the correct FBI facts. Out of 12,664 homicides in the US in 2011, 8,583 were caused by firearms. So every 2 out of 3 murder victims were killed by a firearm.

      But if you don't believe me, then go to the FBI's web site yourself. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8

      You could also go to Snopes: http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/baseballbats.asp

      January 8, 2013 at 2:16 pm | Report abuse |
      • pogojo

        And 75% of those murders were gang bangers killing each other

        January 8, 2013 at 2:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • jimmf

        I bet you don't have the stats that show how many crimes or murders were STOPPED by use of a firearm.

        January 8, 2013 at 2:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kas

      Same here, I would rather die defending our Constitution and Freedom than to live as a slave.
      They can have my gun when they pry from my cold, dead, hand; after they pick the lead out of their ass!!!

      January 8, 2013 at 2:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • sid

        Add Crimson Trace and you may not have to squeeze the trigger at all.

        January 8, 2013 at 3:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • brigance007

        Just a tad bit paranoid are we? You exemplify why you shouldn't have access to guns.

        January 8, 2013 at 6:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • B

      Amen!

      January 8, 2013 at 2:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Reasonable Man

      Why is it that so-called Christians seem to be all about killing? When Peter cut off the ear of the soldier Jesus helad teh soldier and told Peter to "put up his sword".

      Of course there is little use in conversing with the paranoid.

      January 8, 2013 at 3:05 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Tokalenko

        Notice how Christ told Peter to PUT AWAY his sword, rather than discard it? Jesus had to die; it was His mission. Peter was interfering in Christ's mission.

        January 9, 2013 at 2:05 am | Report abuse |
  31. palintwit

    Guns = nascar = diarrhea = tea party patriots = Walmart = open sewers = Honey Boo Boo = trailer trash = republicans = disease = the Palin family

    January 8, 2013 at 1:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Tokalenko

      Leftists = baby-killing = filthy anal sex = pedophilia = drug abuse = entitlement freeloading...etc., etc., etc.

      January 9, 2013 at 2:07 am | Report abuse |
  32. MrHanson

    At risk of further misunderstandings or some ruffled feathers, we also need to do further thinking about the devaluing of life and other key values in our civilisation, through the promotion of amoral materialist ideologies, many of which unfortunately cloak themselves in the lab coat and prestige of science. Similarly, our civilisation needs to think, very hard, about the implications of mass blood-guilt stemming from the ongoing abortion holocaust that — just in the USA since 1973, has exceeded 50 millions.

    January 8, 2013 at 1:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lindsey Brutus

      AMEN Mr. Hanson! I am a Christian who does not own a gun from the south. I do not object to people having them, I just choose not to have one. The real issue here is, of course, morality. We have the 2nd amendment because our founders understood that we can't have just the federal government owning guns because of the temptation of abuse of power and of course for citizen protection against invaders. We will never be a perfect society. However, as our founders also understood, "Our system of government is only workable with a moral populace". If we work on our morals, things will turn around! Otherwise...........

      January 8, 2013 at 1:41 pm | Report abuse |
      • jimmf

        That is absolutely right Lindsey. However, the misguided believe that people are swayed by inanimate objects to commit evil on their brothers and sisters.

        January 8, 2013 at 2:05 pm | Report abuse |
      • Grammar Twit

        "I am a Christian who does not own a gun from the south."

        Ah, but do you own any guns from other sections of the country?

        January 8, 2013 at 2:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Tokalenko

      America is a land of violence because America is a land of violent people. And most of them aren't using guns to kill.

      January 9, 2013 at 2:08 am | Report abuse |
  33. Jim

    After reading so many post about guns and our constitution, i realized that there is no "balance" with most Americans. Just because you can own a gun, dont give you the right to pursue so many of them. If im a lier, try buying a fully automatic and try suing the government because you cant! Your crazy self will get laughed at. Bottom line, Conservative NRA followers have no balance. Even if there was a ban on semi assault rifles and extended clips, that would only forbid you from buying them, not from having them. If you already own them, they cant take them away. So whats your argument now? No one is trying to take your little cap gun.....

    January 8, 2013 at 1:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • El Guapo

      Full auto's are perfectly legal provided they were made prior to 1986. You pay the ATF $200 and wait a few months for your tax stamp and BAM! you have a full auto. Next time try using Google to check your "facts".

      January 8, 2013 at 1:35 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jim

        Dude, thats not the law of the land! You are the minority. Once again, try arguing that case before a court in any other state than your own. If its so "legit" and morally correct, why is it only legal in a hand few states? It seems that most states have common sense while the few others that support fully automatic weapons dont.

        January 8, 2013 at 1:44 pm | Report abuse |
        • John Tokalenko

          What he says is 100% true. What you say is NOT true.

          While I believe "shall not be infringed" means just that, I personally find full-auto to be unnecessary for my needs, since it just consumes ammo way too fast.

          January 9, 2013 at 2:10 am | Report abuse |
      • Jim

        And if you use Google to check facts, that explains why so many Americans are misinformed.

        January 8, 2013 at 1:45 pm | Report abuse |
        • El Guapo

          Actually the ATF will send you a nice book and CD with all the current gun laws if you ask nicely. Right now I can purchase or sell any legal full auto weapon in 40 states, which is an obvious majority. So yes it is the law of the land and if you don't like it then draft an amendment and get it ratified. The National Firearms Act was passed in 1934 that defined how weapons on the NFA list were transferred. Later in 1968 the Gun Control Act was passed that logically defined who should not be able to purchase a weapon. Both of these laws still allowed people to purchase full automatic weapons. In 1986 the Firearms Owners Protection Act was passed and it stated that full auto was still legal provided they were registered prior to May 19th 1986. Since that time the FBI has only reported two criminal acts by a person with a legal NFA weapon, and one of them was an active duty police officer. You are wrong on all counts about the law and you need to spend more time reading about the laws on the ATF website before you come here and display your ignorance. Their address is http://www.atf.gov just in case you don’t want to use Google.

          January 8, 2013 at 4:37 pm | Report abuse |
        • John Tokalenko

          Do you use Daily Kos or Democratic Underground for your "facts"?

          January 9, 2013 at 2:11 am | Report abuse |
    • John Tokalenko

      Propose restrictions on abortion, and the anti-gun lunatics go insane with rage.

      January 9, 2013 at 2:09 am | Report abuse |
  34. Mark from GA

    I am a Christian,and a law abiding gun owner. I taught my wife and children how to properly handle guns,and hit what they shoot at. We live in rural GA,( which by the way Northerners,doesn't make me stupid ),and have a shooting area with a banked dirt bullet stop in our back yard. We have family gatherings and shoot together for recreation. I also hunt,and eat the game that I take. For the anti hunters,who are salivating at the prospect of gun bans;without hunting as a means of controlling game populations,they will die from starvation. I own an AR-15 rifle. Some people refer to it as an "Assault Weapon",simply because it is scary to look at. I own a large butcher knife,which is pretty scary looking,so is it an "Assault Knife"?
    The senseless shootings that have taken place recently have been heartbreaking and shocking to gun owners,as well as everyone else. However,the gun didn't jump up by itself and start killing people. These events were the results of madmen,who should have already been given help they needed. As a scenario,a drunken driver in a Ford F150 crashes into a bus loaded with elementary school children, killing 20 kids. This would be just as big of a tragedy as the Sandy Hook shooting. The children would be just as dead. Do we pass laws banning F150's? No,there are laws against drunk driving,and this is the action of one irresponsible lawbreaker.
    In conclusion,guns can be banned,and lawful citizens hand them in,but then only the criminals will be armed. That is what seperates them-they don't follow the law. I don't believe they'll say "I can't use this gun to kill you,it's against the law. I'll use a knife."
    Certainly it is only "assault weapons" right now. What next? As the Gestapo was rounding up the Jews,at first it was the politicians,then the businessmen,then the professionals. No one really worried until they came for them.

    January 8, 2013 at 1:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Christian for legal, heavily regulated gun ownership

      Your background is exactly mine, even down to the North Georgia rearing. You make a couple of good points, but perhaps not the way you mean. Driving accidents don't mean you ban F-150's, but it is a heck of a lot more difficult to get a driver's license than to buy a gun. That ain't right! When I say "heavily regulated," I mean, "gun ownership at least as regulated as driving."

      Now regarding the big knife, no matter how you cut it, you just can't rack up the numbers of dead using only a knife. Each kill is more difficult and takes longer than using a gun. I believe it was the same day as Sandy Hook that an assailant in China attacked a school with a knife. There were 22 injuries, no deaths.

      Again, the 2d amendment is no more absolute than the 1st. You can't shout "FIRE!" in a crowded theater, and you shouldn't be allowed to get a gun as easily as one can in the US. On the flip side, the government shouldn't prohibit the keeping and bearing of arms without clear and compelling cause.

      January 8, 2013 at 1:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Leftcoastrocky

      "rural Georgia" - that says it all

      January 8, 2013 at 1:22 pm | Report abuse |
      • Timodeus

        "left coast" says it all...

        January 8, 2013 at 1:31 pm | Report abuse |
        • John Tokalenko

          Actually, it doesn't. I'm a fifth-generation native California who is a Christian, a family man, and a gun owner. Most of the anti-God, anti-American, anti-gun "Left Coasters" are transplants from the Northeast. Nearly all native Californians, especially in our rural counties, are Americans just like you. Sodomcisco and Lost Angeles give California a very bad name.

          January 9, 2013 at 2:14 am | Report abuse |
    • jimmf

      Oh Mark, there you go applying common sense. So silly. We have to control good people and the bad people will just hand their illegal weapons over. Sounds like a good plan, right?

      January 8, 2013 at 1:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Reasonable Man

      Mark, will you be offering up YOUR children the next time a payment is to be made to the NRA? Let me make this real simple. Child Pornography is the First Amendment as Assault rifles and semi-automatic pistols should be to the Second. It's not rocket science.

      January 8, 2013 at 3:09 pm | Report abuse |
  35. OfCourseYouSay

    Step One = gun control
    Step two = Bible control
    Step three= First Amendment control
    Step four = The Yoke

    January 8, 2013 at 12:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • jimmf

      Elitists must control the masses. Obviously, the masses are too stupid to have real freedom.

      January 8, 2013 at 12:55 pm | Report abuse |
      • OfCourseYouSay

        True statement. Liberals would keep their own freedom, collect and keep yours too. They do it all the time.

        January 8, 2013 at 12:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Oh, come now!

      That is possibly one of the stu pìdest things I've ever heard. Limitations of free speech ("fighting words," yelling fire in a crowded theater") didn't lead to massive censorship. We haven't been able to buy full-automatic rifles for some time, but I still have my semi-automatic rifles and pistols. There IS a difference between AR-15's and normal hunting rifles–magazine capacity. Face it–you can probably kill 25-30 people in a building with a high-cap magazine, whereas I would have to reload my 30-'06 after just three. That slows the shooter down, and that's good.

      I live in a state with a state liquor monopoly. I can still buy booze. The "slippery slope" argument isn't borne out by history. We have too many checks and balances, and elections held too frequently for that sort of thing. If you're going to make an argument, at least try to make it a good one.

      January 8, 2013 at 1:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • jimmf

        What argument are addressing?

        Chicago has a gun ban and the innocents are getting slaughtered. Evil reigns when good people do nothing. Take away the right to defend yourself and others, if necessary, and evil finds great opportunity ("gun-free" theaters, unprotected schools, "GUN-FREE" homicide capital Chicago)

        January 8, 2013 at 1:37 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Tokalenko

        I bet you're among the first to scream with rage if ANY restriction on abortion is proposed.

        January 9, 2013 at 2:16 am | Report abuse |
    • John Tokalenko

      Step five = genocide/democide.

      Stalin, Hitler, Mao, and Pol Pot agree – GUN CONTROL WORKS!

      January 9, 2013 at 2:15 am | Report abuse |
  36. Christian for legal, heavily regulated gun ownership

    "Christians divided on gun ownership" could have just as easily been "Caucasians divided on gun ownership," "Muslims divided on gun ownership," "Shriners divided on gun ownership," or "New Yorkers divided on gun ownership." Why address Christians. Do a story on "AMERICANS divided on gun ownership," and be done with it.

    January 8, 2013 at 12:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • CLEAR

      American Devided on Gun Control wouldn't have called anyone's attention. These people have to put it in such a way that the news it may sound new or attractive, otherwise people won't bother reading it. The poor fellow needs to make a living, too.

      January 8, 2013 at 1:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bobby

      Because this is the perfect time for the liberal media to take a jab at their two most hated topics...religion and gun ownership. They are frothing at the mouth at this opportunity and won't let it go to waist.

      The one thing that upsets me is that this same media has not even touched on any information about the people responsible for these acts of violence except to say they "may have had" mental issues. I saw a report where a guy looked into it and realized all but maybe one of the last 30 shooters was on some anti-depressant. If you know anything about them, they have the "black box" warning from the FDA citing side effects from dillusional paranoia to suicidal thoughts and aggressive tendencies and thoughts of death. Why are we giving people "meds" that can alter their mental capacity to that degree? Maybe prescription drugs are the issue here and not guns...ever thought of that?

      January 8, 2013 at 1:20 pm | Report abuse |
      • Physician and deer hunter

        "Homicidal maniacs are often depressed," says study published this week in "Duh!" magazine."

        Your idea is totally specious. 'Nuff said.

        January 8, 2013 at 1:35 pm | Report abuse |
  37. polnick

    Human sniffers will be the easiest way for detecting gun powder and illegal drugs. Having the nostrils widened and inserting into the neural network olfactory sensors will create a super sniffer making the blood hound obsolete.

    January 8, 2013 at 12:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • OfCourseYouSay

      Already attempted via Obama`s maneuver to control all internet communications. Where have you been ?

      January 8, 2013 at 12:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • Leftcoastrocky

        paranoia

        January 8, 2013 at 1:23 pm | Report abuse |
  38. Andy

    a better title: "Rednecks divided on their own idiocy"

    January 8, 2013 at 12:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • jimmf

      Andy,
      Why don't you make an argument one way or another instead of providing mindless insults?

      January 8, 2013 at 12:53 pm | Report abuse |
  39. Dwight B. Powell

    How on earth can you make the leap between gun control and Christianity?

    January 8, 2013 at 12:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • OfCourseYouSay

      In Christian ethic and American tradition, each individual ( being of sound mind) controls his/ her own gun, his/her own gonads, and his/her own property. Get it ?

      January 8, 2013 at 12:55 pm | Report abuse |
  40. fiftyfive55

    I just want to say that it's a shame that law abiding citizens will punished for what obviously mentally ill people did with guns. The percentages of legal gun owners involved in violent crimes is so low that it barely exists yet the amount of people destroyed by industrial pollution is far greater yet people still complain about the EPA costing jobs.Nobody endorses violence with guns yet folks seem to think that's what the NRA does and it couldnt be further from the truth.

    January 8, 2013 at 11:59 am | Report abuse |
    • fiftyfive55

      I'd also like to state that although there are calls to NOT POLTICIZE this,it is exactly what is happening .

      January 8, 2013 at 12:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Patrick Grace

      Adam Lanza's mother, who became a victim at Newtown, was a legal gun owner Her mentally unbalanced son got ahold of her guns and committed an atrocious massacre.. The guns used by the Virginia Tech shooter (33 killed) were purchased legally; he too was a legal gun owner. Any number of guns used in this ongoing slaughter were purchased by legal gun owners, then taken by relatives or even friends or possibly stolen from those owners and then used to kill.
      This argument about "protecting legal gun owners" has obvious flaws.
      If the NRA really means it when they say "let's keep guns out of the hands of criminals," then they ought to mean also
      "people with criminal intent even though such people may have as yet committed no crime." That's a much harder
      issue to cope with, isn't it? But cope with it we must or the slaughter will continue.
      It is so heartening to see NRA A-rated senators such as Joe Manchin of West Virginia change their minds about
      the assault weapons issue and call for a ban.
      And gun owners, no one is trying to deny you your First Amendment rights to own weapons for hunting or for
      home protection, but that doesn't give you the right to own a rocket-propelled grenade launcher; it doesn't give you the right to own a .50-cal. machine gun; and it doesn't give you the right to own a military assault weapon with a 30- or 50-round clip.
      The country has a right to draw the line, and the overwhelming percentage of the population, including a very high percentage of NRA members, is now ready to draw the line at banning semi-automatic or automatic assault weapons.
      Granted, there is a whole mental-health litmus test that also needs to be applied to weed out potentially dangerous
      people from owning a gun, any kind of gun. But that's part of the package we now need.
      And there is absolutely no excuse for gun sales without background checks and without a five-day waiting period.
      None at all.

      John Patrick Grace
      Huntington, West Virginia

      January 8, 2013 at 12:11 pm | Report abuse |
      • AMR

        "And gun owners, no one is trying to deny you your First Amendment rights to own weapons for hunting or for
        home protection, but that doesn't give you the right to own a rocket-propelled grenade launcher; it doesn't give you the right to own a .50-cal. machine gun; and it doesn't give you the right to own a military assault weapon with a 30- or 50-round clip."

        I'll give you the first one, no individual should be guaranteed the right to own an RPG, but what is so wrong about high capacity magazine for rifles? Are you aware that the vast majority of gun violence in this country is from hand guns? The amount of crimes carried out with rifles in general, much less the high-cap. variet,y is comparatively miniscule. I would actually advocate limiting the clip-size of handguns, and leave the size of rifles and shotguns alone. Still, keep in mind that criminals will almost certainly still have access to the large clip sizes.

        It would also be good for you to observe that the 2nd Amendment was about more than hunting and self-protection: it was all about deterring a possible American tyranny. It's much harder to oppress people when the people can shoot at your storm troopers. I say that semi-auto rifles are just the right level of arms that should be widely available to the public as a way of keeping the government honest. Sure, the government might be trustworthy enough today, but you never know what can happen in 50, or even 20, years from now.

        January 8, 2013 at 1:04 pm | Report abuse |
        • LL

          Regardless of your argument that most gun crime is committed with handguns; a handgun cannot shoot 30 people in 29 seconds. There is no use for that type of weapon to be owned by anyone other than a soldier fighting a war.

          America is over 200 years old, democracy works, (even when you don't like the outcome), give up the tyrannical gov't arguement; it just makes you sound mentally unstable. Even the writers of the constitution acknowledged the 2nd amendment should be reviewed every 20 years or so. There's a reason the Constitution can be amended...

          January 8, 2013 at 4:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Leftcoastrocky

      Adam Lanza's mother - enough said

      January 8, 2013 at 1:24 pm | Report abuse |
  41. Dad of one

    Did Jesus not say "let each man who does not have a sword, sell his cloak and buy one"? That sounds like he wanted his disciples to have the means to protect themselves to me. Unless I have interpreted this incorrectly?

    January 8, 2013 at 11:45 am | Report abuse |
    • via2

      Absolutely correct.

      January 8, 2013 at 12:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rick

      So Jesus wanted men to run around naked holding a sword?

      January 8, 2013 at 12:24 pm | Report abuse |
      • OfCourseYouSay

        hmmmmm

        January 8, 2013 at 12:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • El Flaco

      Jesus said whatever you want him to say. Jesus exists between your ears and nowhere else.

      January 8, 2013 at 12:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • Lindsey Brutus

        El Flaco- The truth will set you free if you would just accept it!

        January 8, 2013 at 1:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jim

      You are correct brother in interpreting the scriptures. But there must be balance and you must consider the times that Jesus said this. During that time, to be a "Jesus" follower was justification for immediate death. Therefore the first "Christians" had to defend themselves to spread the gospel. Please use scripture correctly. If you are in fact a follower of Jesus, why do you and most Conservative Christians live in fear? Did you not read that God did not give us a spirit of fear, but of power, love and a sound mind!

      January 8, 2013 at 1:11 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dad of one

        As far as the times we live in, It may not be the Romans, it is our own government that is giving more and more power to the criminals of this nation. Gang bangers are continuously let off and turned out on the streets to pray again upon the honest citizens of this nation.

        I don't live in fear, I live with the practical knowledge that if and when I ever needed help, it will not be there. Law enforcement has no obligation to protect us the citizens. My soul will end up where god sees fit for it to go. While I'm on Earth, I'll protect my loved ones and myself with the tools available. While being a pacifist might be what some consider being a good Christian, Is not our body a temple we are in charge of taking good care of? I'll not stand by and allow that temple or the temple of my loved ones be violated in the name of sacrifice for a higher cause.
        .

        January 8, 2013 at 1:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Tokalenko

        Lenin, Stalin, Mao – three reasons for Christians to remain armed. It can happen here, and it IS happening here.

        January 9, 2013 at 2:18 am | Report abuse |
    • Leftcoastrocky

      they that take the sword shall perish with the sword."(Matthew 26:52)

      January 8, 2013 at 1:27 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dad of one

        You are correct.
        At least I'll go down fighting rather than to submit and die without any resistance. It's Resistance that is understood by Evil and aggressive alike, nothing else. If were not willing to fight for ourselves and our loves ones, we might as well jump in a volcano and let the animals retake this planet. Pacifist didn't defeat the evil that was the Axis powers in WWI and WWII, it was an overwhelming force of violence the likes of which had never been seen on this world. The difference, The Allied used only a level of violence that was needed to stop Evil. And has been the story of good vs. evil for all recorded history and so it shall be.

        January 8, 2013 at 2:16 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Tokalenko

        That's right. When anti-Christ Obama sends his thugs to take up their "swords" to disarm people, they will be cut down by "the swords" of the American people.

        January 9, 2013 at 2:19 am | Report abuse |
    • Lindsey Brutus

      DAD of one: Can you tell us where this verse is located?

      January 8, 2013 at 1:57 pm | Report abuse |
      • Dad of one

        My verbage was a little off,
        Luke 22:36
        He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one

        January 8, 2013 at 2:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Josh

      Read the word and do not harden your heart from the message. In Luke 22, Jesus is preparing to die and be delivered by his own people and thus fulfill the prophecy that the savior of the world would be "counted with the transgressors". Luke 22:37. In being counted amongst sinners, he would receive a sinner's just reward. Jesus faces an end of leaving the world to disciples that too self-absorbed to notice the peril they are in. The fundamentals of the message to save mankind are being lost on them. These are disciples that take refuge in their own abilities, have hardened their hearts to His message, and still pinning to realize their selfish aspirations. Disciples that hear what they want to hear and believe they are strong to achieve whatever they have to do are not disciples worth having. And that is the sentiment amongst Jesus and His followers before the end.

      By the end of Jesus' final night as a man, He will shame each and every one of His disciples into surrendering themselves in following His will and really trusting and taking refuge in His power so they could successfully send the message to the world. And thus destroy the Empire of Rome that murdered Him and many other believers by using the divine sword of the message and not of man.

      In reference to your misuse of Luke 22:36, read Luke 22 to get better context. Jesus warns His disciples to "pay attention ... Satan has demanded to have you all, to sift you like wheat" verse 31. Jesus scolds Peter when he boasts, that his own determination, he will stand besides Jesus until death “I tell you, Peter, the rooster will not crow today until you have denied me three times that you know me”. Jesus instructs His disciples that despite providing for them in the past He now requests they sacrifice to buy a sword, verse 36. Jesus, who has always provided for them, knows what they have

      First off all, Jesus tells them because sinners like us are coming to kill Him and He will not be able provide the same way that He used to in verse 35. Jesus remarks when He used to send His disciples out, they would lack nothing. And now He sending them out on their life mission to proclaim the message, about to be murdered himself, and says they need money, a traveler's bag, and a sword. Just as the money and traveler's bag would sustain their journeys to lands that need to hear the word- a sword naturally sustains their assortment of needs as they travel through wilderness. The use of a sword from hunting to craftsmanship or whatever they would use them peaceably for was "necesssary and just". There was no grocery store or Home Depot, you had to sustain yourself just as money and traveler's bag would help- a sword was deemed acceptable when it helped you in the same capacity.

      There is no way this message should be construed as supporting the buying of "a sword" in order to bear arms and defending yourself is how to best spread a message of a risen savior that has defeated death and saves us from the burdens of mankind. And then use the "money" to sponsor an International Sword Association so that Christians could stand their ground, while traveling with their "traveling bag" to "sword" conventions to showcase the killing power of newly crafted "swords".

      January 8, 2013 at 2:30 pm | Report abuse |
      • John Tokalenko

        Did Jesus tell Peter to "put your sword back in its place" or did Jesus tell Peter to "throw away that tool of the devil"?

        January 9, 2013 at 2:21 am | Report abuse |
  42. Me Myself But Not I

    I would just like to point out a couple things. First, people frequently say that the US has more gun related murders. That is true. The US also has more people. When you account for this, the claim of 10 to 20 times the number of gun related murders means a bit less. For example, the US had a massive amount of murders in 2010 (14,180). Scotland had 114. However the US has over 58 times the population (312,000,000 to 5,295,000). Per 100,000 people, Scotland has about 2.15 murders and the US has about 4.5. I am not sure how many of Scotland's murders were gun related, but 67.5% of the murders in the US were gun related in that year (that works out to roughly 3 per 100,000). The ration of 4.5 to 2.1 is still far more, but it doesn't have the same impact as the claim of 10 to 20 times. If you are wondering why I gave statistics on Scotland, it was the first numbers I saw when I searched for crime in the UK. I am sure, you could find other ratios that would make the US look worse or better. I know the US has roughly 5 times the population of the UK and I know the US has roughly 10 times the population of Canada. The number of murders per 100,000 is still higher in the US though.

    Also, Mary mentions the 'Thou shalt not kill' commandment. There are many translations of the Bible. Some translations say the original text translates to 'Thou shalt not commit murder.' I don't know which is more accurate, but I did want to point that out.

    Finally, I would like to point out another possible counter to Mary's argument. She claims a gun's purpose is to kill. That is not necessarily true. A gun is designed to be ABLE to kill/hunt. I will not deny that. But that is not necessarily it's intended purpose. I have a gun that most definitely is not designed to kill as its primary purpose. It is designed for short range 'plinking' of targets. The bullet has relatively little energy and is small. Yes, it is capable of killing, but I wouldn't recommend hunting anything larger than a squirrel. Larger guns, including some 'assault weapons' (which are often defined by aesthetic features and not performance) can follow the same principle.

    Yes, there are counter arguments to everything I said (and most likely counter arguments to some of those counters), but I just wanted to point out those things and possibly give some perspective.

    January 8, 2013 at 11:40 am | Report abuse |
  43. Drew

    Oh Christians.. Do as we say, not as we do.

    January 8, 2013 at 11:38 am | Report abuse |
  44. christiansbedamned

    pack a gun to kill but don't kill an fertilized egg. religion is the opium of the masses.

    January 8, 2013 at 11:16 am | Report abuse |
    • EJ

      Religion may be the opium of the masses, but Christianity is not a drug. If I tote a gun it will not be with the intent to kill someone. It will be to defend myself against assault with the intent to do me bodily harm. Defense does not translate into use of deadly force. It means that I must know how to properly aim and shoot my gun so that I hit what I aim at. Doing this, I can then shoot an attacker in the leg, in the arm, in the shoulder, in the foot, whatever, so that they can't continue attacking me. A person who has been shot in both hands will not be doing me very much violence. NOr can a person who has been shot once in each thigh run me down as a flee from them to safety. The arguments against guns is the same one used against learning martial arts. Martial arts is to be used to defend oneself so that you can get away without being killed. But if one aggressively uses martial arts to attack others, it becomes a different scenario altogether.

      January 8, 2013 at 11:58 am | Report abuse |
      • Tyler Robbins

        you always draw your weapon only if you mean to use it and you only use it when you intend to kill. A GUN'S ONLY PURPOSE IS TO KILL.

        January 8, 2013 at 12:45 pm | Report abuse |
        • Jim

          Amen

          January 8, 2013 at 1:13 pm | Report abuse |
        • jimmf

          Evil reigns when good people do nothing. Take away the right to defend yourself and others, if necessary, and evil finds great opportunity ("gun-free" theaters, unprotected schools, "GUN-FREE" homicide capital Chicago)

          January 8, 2013 at 1:16 pm | Report abuse |
        • John Tokalenko

          Most instances where a gun is used to defend onself require NOT ONE SHOT be fired. Just its display, or, in the case of a pump shotgun, racking it, will make all but the most insane criminal flee.

          January 9, 2013 at 2:24 am | Report abuse |
      • Leftcoastrocky

        and martial artists can kill 26 people in three minutes

        January 8, 2013 at 1:28 pm | Report abuse |
        • John Tokalenko

          You think you're smart, but you're not. A trained killer can EASILY kill 26 people who are weaker than he in three minutes, BARE-HANDED. A man skilled in the martial arts who loses his mind could commit a Sandy Hook without a gun or even a knife.

          God made men, and Colonel Colt made them equal.

          January 9, 2013 at 2:26 am | Report abuse |
    • Jacob

      IIm christian and i would never own a gun, I think people buy guns not with the intention to kill people but for self defense, something that ancient Christians and people in general have dealt with much for years. Plus the bible never talks about "thou shall not own a gun"

      January 8, 2013 at 8:41 pm | Report abuse |
  45. GrowUp

    Many gun toting NRA rabid Christians donate to the church. They will not bite the hands that feed them. Bottom line is it is all about money and power. Jesus is just a tool toward that end.

    January 8, 2013 at 11:12 am | Report abuse |
    • EJ

      The right to bear arms is a constitutional right. The right to murder people is not. There is no right to ignore the medical needs of sick people, whether those needs be physical or mental. We allow businessmen to hide behind "freedom of expression/speech" so that they can teach our youth how to run around killing everything that moves in video games. First person shooter video games would certainly appear to be teaching our youngest generations how to slaughter a crowd of people. Now they are simply going out and gaining the "feeling" of what it is like to do so. Or, they so identify with movie characters that they become lost in fantasy and choose to purify a theater full of attendees. Or, teenagers become so depressed with being bullied and mocked every day in school that they choose a final solution to eliminate their daily pain and suffering. The bottom line is that we are failing to protect and educate our children properly. Parents increasingly fail to teach children to respect others and the property of others. There is an increasing level of disconnect in our interpersonal relationships. Younger generations do not talk face to face, they will text. They won't go out and visit with friends physically, they will "friend" people on Facebook, or Twitter, or whatever else is out there in social media. I do not talk here in absolutes. These are the growing trends though. Social skills are lacking. Social attachments emotionally are slipping away, leading to increased levels of violence simply because people feel no reason not to be violent.

      January 8, 2013 at 11:48 am | Report abuse |
      • Bob

        "There is no right to ignore the medical needs of sick people, whether they be physical or mental." I agree with you about that, and I agree with your general point about violent games. BUT, no where in the constitution are we charged with the responsibility of properly caring for our neighbors - that's a Christian value/obligation. Sequeing from the constitutional "right to bear arms" to implying there's a constitutional obligation to take care of the sick is just flawed logic and does not support this discussion. You can't mix and match here.

        January 8, 2013 at 12:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Tokalenko

      Where is the "right" to an abortion in the Bill of Rights?

      January 9, 2013 at 2:27 am | Report abuse |
  46. Erick

    David didn't tickle Goliath to death. He shot him in the forehead.

    January 8, 2013 at 10:53 am | Report abuse |
    • Drew

      David was a Hebrew genious.

      January 8, 2013 at 11:36 am | Report abuse |
      • Erick

        David was pre-Jesus and is part of the Christian tradition. And for God's sake learn how to spell "genius".

        January 8, 2013 at 11:41 am | Report abuse |
  47. Scrape

    The modern version of Jesus carries a semi auto and doesn't like to read books.

    January 8, 2013 at 10:44 am | Report abuse |
  48. Phattee

    [:43] “Christian Ethics begins with love of neighbor..." – David Heim, executive editor of Christian Century Magazine.

    [1:28] “When the next monster walks into a theater...” – Mark Rogers, founder of Christiangunowner.com

    Hmmmmmm, I think I'll go with the Christian who's siding with Jesus.

    January 8, 2013 at 10:36 am | Report abuse |
    • John Tokalenko

      According to Jesus Christ, someone who harms children should prefer being thrown into the sea with an anchor on their neck, rather than face God. Facing a gunowner with a firearm sounds like a better deal for them.

      January 9, 2013 at 2:29 am | Report abuse |
  49. Don Wuerl

    Since when did the Second Ammendment give anyone the right to kill another person? If we keep building the wedges; then, more people will have their families torn apart. Stop the violence without reverting the Wild wild west.

    January 8, 2013 at 10:33 am | Report abuse |
    • Rick

      You can buy non-lethal ammunition for your 12 gauge shotgun. Getting whacked with a high velocity beanbag or a rubber dart takes the fight out of you quickly.

      January 8, 2013 at 12:31 pm | Report abuse |
  50. Sebastian2

    The very idea of being a Christian in favor of guns is a staggering contradiction. These are people who have long forgotten what Jesus stood for; pacifism and the UNCONDITIONAL love of all humanity. I'm pretty sure he would've been appalled at the notion of "Christians" advocating for the right to shoot their fellow men in cold blood (or the notion of spraying bullets into a crowd).

    Whatever happened to 'turn the other cheek' or 'those who live by the sword die by the sword'?

    January 8, 2013 at 10:32 am | Report abuse |
    • EJ

      I do not advocate for the right to "spray" bullets into crowds of people. I do advocate for the right to bear arms. If we institute absolute gun control out of fear of what deranged individuals will do with guns, where will that slippery slope stop? Knives, swords, baseball bats, crowbars, drugs, poison, what? Why not simply start admitting to ourselves that currently our society is full of damaged people who are desperately in need of medical help, and then make sure that they receive it. We have loose cannons walking our streets and we all choose to turn a blind eye to them, simply because we do not want to force anyone to get better against their will.

      We ban all guns, how will families that depend upon game hunting to put meat on their table survive? People control guns, guns do not control people.

      January 8, 2013 at 11:22 am | Report abuse |
      • Mannix

        Quote: "how will families that depend upon game hunting to put meat on their table survive?"

        By becoming vegan or vegetarian.

        January 8, 2013 at 1:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • EJ

      Jesus a pacifist? Hardly so. Against killing? Absolutely so. Jesus did not require having a gun in order to protect Himself, He is God. Does Jesus fully comprehend what sort of world we all live in? Absolutely. But He also did not teach us to go around shooting everyone that we came across. He did teach that we are supposed to be looking out for the best interests of those who are in need. Who is needier than those who suffer from mental health disorders? A person who can't claim control of their own thoughts has absolutely no future to look forward to, has no hope. Why do we persist in refusing to help these people? Why do we keep on making excuses for them? Why not help them secure the medical care that they so desperately need? I say it is because it would be difficult work, and we simply are too lazy and uncaring to get involved. It is so much easier to blame guns than to actually help people.

      January 8, 2013 at 11:34 am | Report abuse |
      • michael

        Well said, EJ!

        January 8, 2013 at 11:47 am | Report abuse |
    • Bobby

      You can still be a Christian and want to preserve your life (self-defense) from those looking to do you physical harm...and yes...that means you may have to take that life in the act of self-defense. I know of NO true Christians who believe shooting someone in cold blood is right. Where do you people come up with this ignorant rhetoric. Unless you are simply out to cause divide, you aren't doing this subject/conversation any good and should leave it to the adults willing to have a viable discussion.

      January 8, 2013 at 1:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lindsey Brutus

      Sebastian: You are right in that we should not promote this behavior. However, our founders knew that we live with the devil among us and our government can not be trusted with being the sole owner of guns. Hence the 2nd amendment. I am a Christian who does not own a gun but I understand why we have this amendment. We are, after all, governed by a secular government.

      January 8, 2013 at 2:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Tokalenko

      The idea that Jesus Christ was a pansy metrosexual is a modern invention of the age where homosexuality & abortion are "civil rights."

      Jesus used VIOLENCE against the moneychangers.

      Jesus promises VIOLENCE – deadly violence – when He comes back to cleanse the Earth.

      January 9, 2013 at 2:30 am | Report abuse |
  51. Mary

    Clearly there is a conflict between Judeo/Christian belief (Thou shalt not kill) and bearing a weapon. A gun's purpose is to kill. Christianity and guns are two conflicting beliefs and they are not compatible.

    January 8, 2013 at 10:27 am | Report abuse |
    • EJ

      A gun's purpose is not just to kill. It can defend a person and their family against attack. Deadly force is not the only option when bearing a weapon. Obviously it is the only option in your mind. Far better to have a gun, and know how to properly use it, than to remain completely defenseless against one who has a gun. I believe Switzerland still has the lowest crime rate of any nation. It is because everyone there owns some sort of gun and know how to use it very well. Why would any sane person attempt to commit a crime in a home where you know all of the residents know how to shoot accurately, and guns are present there? No one would willingly do so.

      January 8, 2013 at 11:27 am | Report abuse |
      • Marc

        The idea that guns can serve a purpose other than killing is wrong. There's simply no other function – they are a tool designed ot put a piece of metal through flesh (either human or animal) at a high speed. While it's possible to just wound someone this way, it's very difficult. Anything other than your torso is a small target. Aiming for center mass (as we are taught in the military) is the best way to ensure you hit your target. If you hit them center mass, chances are, you will kill them.

        As for being used as simply a deterrent – remember that guns escalate the situation. A person who has a gun to his or her head is now in fear of their lives. Depending on the situation, this could make them *more* likely to do something stupid (after all, what have they got to lose?) than less.

        Frankly, if a person came into my house demanding my valuables at gun point (or mugged me on the street), I would turn over my valuables. There is nothing in my house that is worth more than my own life or that of my families. If I had a gun, there is too much of a danger of killing someone who didn't need to be killed, or worse, an accidental shooting.

        January 8, 2013 at 12:11 pm | Report abuse |
        • mbizzle

          And if he demanded your wife? or the lives of your children? They don't always just want your flat screen TV...in the real world, sometimes they want more.

          January 8, 2013 at 4:47 pm | Report abuse |
      • Rick

        The Zug Massacre in Switzerland netted 12 dead when a disgruntled employee shot a dozen people with his privately owned assault rifle.

        Only a week ago a man killed 3 and injured 3 more in a Swiss village with a military rifle.

        January 8, 2013 at 12:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Trogdor the Burninator

      The commandment was actually "Thou salt not commit murder." Words change when translated from one language to another several times.

      January 8, 2013 at 1:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bobby

      Mary: So what you're saying is that if someone calls themselves a Christian, they should simply cower in every situation even those where standing up and doing the right thing may mean preserving a life at the expense of taking the life of the "evil doer"? I totally disagree with you and don't believe your position has biblical merit. "Murder" is different than "killing" depending on the circumstance. Murder is never right but you might have to kill in order to protect life.

      January 8, 2013 at 1:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Tokalenko

      It's thou shalt not murder. Buy a Strong's Concordance, please.

      January 9, 2013 at 2:32 am | Report abuse |
  52. El Flaco

    I can imagine Jesus packing heat. I can see Him spraying the temple with automatic gunfire as the money-changers dive for cover.

    January 8, 2013 at 10:15 am | Report abuse |
    • Rick

      Yeah with a good AR-15 and a 30 round magazine the Romans would have had no chance when they came for him at Calvary.

      January 8, 2013 at 12:30 pm | Report abuse |
      • Yeah...

        That's telling him!

        Jesus would have lived and then everybody, including putative future Christians, would have all gone to eternal torment in Hell!

        Writhing and doing half-gainers into the Lake 'O Fire!

        Hey, that's the logic of your dogma!

        January 8, 2013 at 2:57 pm | Report abuse |
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