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January 28th, 2013
06:00 AM ET

NYC hit with huge wave of homelessness

By Steve Kastenbaum, CNN

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(CNN) – New York City is experiencing its largest wave of homelessness since the Great Depression.

The spike started following cuts to a government rent subsidy program. Ironically, the impact of having to provide shelter to more than 20,000 homeless children each night is costing the city more money than the cost of the subsidies.

[3:37] “It costs $36,000 a year to shelter a homeless family in New York City. In comparison, a rental voucher is $10,000 a year. So it’s more than three times more expensive to have that family in shelter than it is to give that family permanent housing,” said Patrick Markee, a policy analyst at the non-profit Coalition for the Homeless.

Ester Fuchs teaches Public Policy and Political Science at Columbia University. She says it’s a prime example of how seeking short term solutions to budget problems can result in more tax dollars being spent down the road.

[4:03] “They’re going after what used to be called entitlements and they are not concerned with the ripple effects down the line for state governments or for city governments.”

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  1. Mike Lewis

    May they can get some of that Obama money.

    January 28, 2013 at 2:52 pm | Report abuse |
  2. darryl

    Too many people already....they know they are poor and they keep making babies. I would be in the same position if I made unwise decisions. Take some responsibility for your actions. Too many kids is selfish behavior. Socially irresponsible!

    January 28, 2013 at 2:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • ari

      hmm? most homeless people are single men. many probably have kids, but they sure aren't paying for them. homeless families do exist, sadly, but they are the minority.

      January 28, 2013 at 2:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • johnh

        At the shelter I work at part-time, for every 100 people, we have 85-95 men and the rest are women an children

        January 28, 2013 at 3:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • comeagain

      i think instead of playing the blame game, why don't we try finding a solution? perhaps the problem lies with the deconstruction of the family and the cycle of poverty it increases the risk for (i'm not trying to over-generalize). maybe we can try for a big brother/sister program again and give some guidance to the kids of the homeless. the poverty issue is there – you can't deny it. how do we help lift these people out of it???

      January 28, 2013 at 3:30 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Frederick1337

    New York and California are communist aggressor gulagh states, nuff said. government failed the people and fostered illegal immigration through communist corruption of congress in order to force Americans into slavery. what they are calling entitlements is opposite of the truth, it is closing in to time for revolution and jail and hanging for the rebellious government who has failed so miserably in theirnresponsibility.

    January 28, 2013 at 2:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • widow

      Why don't the people take responsibility? Why is it the governments problem or the law abiding tax payers to pay for all these people? they made their decisions.. who has 2 3 4 5 6 7 kids knowing they have no money to suport them but get huge tax credits and funding to support them. it is laughable to blame the government for someones own mistakes. We as a country need to do more to help the real homeless who have mental illness and are in the position they are in because they have actual mental problems. It is our job as a country to take care of them. there are plenty of people in Chicago who have kids just for tax benefits. just for money from the government. This is overwhelmingly a black problem. look at the facts. I can't even remember the last time I saw a homeless white person walking with kids yet I see black homeless walking with kids and begging for money after sox games on the south side every game and everyday I go to the south side for work. I never ever see this stuff on the north side. I see white bums but hardly ever with kids. It is pathetic to go to a game or just go on the south side and here some dad beg for money with his kid/s right nxt to him.. go get a fricken JOB. I can understand if you live in a rural area with no work and are a stubborn ass and don't want to leave because the factory that supported the town left because of the government threatening to raise taxes so they moved to a cheaper tax haven like oklahoma or nevada or florida or texas. but at the same time I do not undertsand how in a major metropolitan area you cannot find a job. of all 7 people i know who quit or were laid off in the last 2 years all 7 got a job within 2 months. ranging from 30k a year hourly wage.. to 300k a year working for a financial firm downtown. there is NO excuse if you do not have a job. none.. it might not be your dream job but you take it and keep searching for a better one. I am all for helping the homeless but just giving them shelter and food does way way way more harm than good. If you just let them roam the streets during the day how are they going to feel better like they are contributing to society. Bums are bums because they feel worthless, shunned, abandoned.. there was a program in the 60's in chicago that had higher than a 85% success rate in rehabing the homeless at a farm just outside the city. they worked on the farm and made money and got back into society. the government shut down the facility because of funding. Makes zero sense considering you rehab them get them back into society and paying taxes and contributing. the economy has much more to gain from that then just letting them roam around during the day and give them food and shelter. it is like a mom enabling her son by buying him his boose or drugs so he doesn't withdraw from the alcohol or opiates or meth or crack. it is pathetic. Where the hell is the mental health system in this country? this should be the focus of the drugs and violence in this country not gun laws.

      January 28, 2013 at 3:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • at_maybe

      It is funny that those two " commie states" actually pay way more to the feds in taxes than they receive back, and have much higher median incomes that the "red" republican states that suck up way more federal money than they pay. The hypocritical anti government red states are actually sucking a the federal tit. Romney's 47% parasites aren't Democrats, they are Republicans.

      Your ideology is a lie.

      January 28, 2013 at 3:12 pm | Report abuse |
      • kckaaos

        Your ideology is a lie too.

        New York in fact DOES take in more than it pays...just like every other state. That is what happens when the Federal government spends twice as much money as they have revenue. The notion that "Red states" are poorer than blue states is a political crowbar. In fact, there is no correlation between political affiliation and the median income of a state...UNLESS you fail to normalize the data to the Cost of Living Index.

        Once the CLI is considered, the 2 poorest states are Illinois and California.

        January 29, 2013 at 9:25 am | Report abuse |
    • Mo Money

      Amen, a failed government, deserves no recourse from its people.

      January 28, 2013 at 9:54 pm | Report abuse |
  4. SW

    How about we ask the simple minded folks in Washington DC to use approx 50% of the $210 million (that went to Syria) in actually helping NYC?? Its just a thought but shouldn't we help Americans before we send out foreign aid?

    January 28, 2013 at 2:44 pm | Report abuse |
  5. ari

    boy, i'm sure glad that people making $300,000 a year won't have any horrible tax increases this year. thank goodness that we look after our own, eh?

    January 28, 2013 at 2:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • Frank911

      Yes, wouldn't it be grand if everyone was equal and made the same and had the same quality of life. Oh wait, there is such a system, it is called Socialism/Communism. Let's ask our Soviet friends how well that worked out for them.

      January 28, 2013 at 2:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • ari

        socialism and communism are two different concepts, despite what glenn beck has told you, amigo. :D a more apt comparison for a socialist country would be sweden or denmark, both of which are coincidentally ranked as the west's healthiest economies and have the best standards of living in the world. strange.

        January 28, 2013 at 2:58 pm | Report abuse |
        • Frank911

          I have a friend in Denmark. I will ask you the same thing I asked him. What incentive is there to work hard and better yourself when the fruits of your labor are shared so significantly with those who would prefer to do nothing? In addition, how many significant innovations and inventions, etc. have come from those countries. Do you know why Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Henry Ford, and others were so successful? Because the were able to become wealthy as a result of their efforts.

          January 28, 2013 at 3:07 pm | Report abuse |
        • gager

          actually those countries have a mixed economy. Not totally socialist. Socialism and communism is very close in ideology. Those who pay outrageous taxes are really getting tired. Let's see how long these countries hang on.

          January 28, 2013 at 5:41 pm | Report abuse |
  6. gager

    Looks like the progressives have found another place to spend the republicans money.

    January 28, 2013 at 2:41 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Mel B

    I spend half that for a one bedroom apartment in Los Angeles! What on earth is NYC paying for?! Someone needs to look very closely at those "costs." Sounds like someone is making some serious money from this!

    January 28, 2013 at 2:40 pm | Report abuse |
  8. EndingJudgement

    It seems like so many posts are making harsh judgements. Do any of you actually know the stories of the homeless? Not all want to be there? Do you know how hard it is to pick yourself up? To find resources? To gain confidence to get back in the world? Go spend a night in a shleter and your obvious judgemental and in some cases toxic comments will change. The homeless need help. There are many organizations out there who are willing to provide all types of services to "teach" indivudals to get back ont heri feet. Not just provide "handouts." Do your research, then donate! It might feel good!

    January 28, 2013 at 2:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • gager

      Donate to your hearts content. I'll keep my money.

      January 28, 2013 at 2:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • altair

        and you will die a sad lonely person...

        January 28, 2013 at 2:54 pm | Report abuse |
        • gager

          LOL. What a loser.

          January 28, 2013 at 4:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • brad

      yes, and I've read plenty of stories of homeless that didn't wait for a handout, they went out and took charge and got themselves out, so what is your point. Nobody is anyone elses responsability. If you want to help, fine, just don't ask me to care about all of them. I don't mind drugies and alchies being homeless and dieing in a ditch somewhere. That is natures way of getting rid of usueless trash.

      January 28, 2013 at 2:51 pm | Report abuse |
      • trufaldino

        "Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses" So said Scrooge. Incredible that that mindset is with us. Disgusting and shameful.

        January 28, 2013 at 3:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • Kianasmum

        Ok so what's your solution for:

        1) a homeless person that's been on the streets for years – since their teens when they were kicked out of an abusive home – who can't even get ID becuase they don't know anyone anymore who can vouch for their identity?
        2) a homeless woman with kids scared to go to the authorities because her abusive husband may find her?
        3) a homeless alcoholic or drug addict who escapes the reality of depressing life but is too far gone that they know no other way to live?
        4) a person who works full-time but because the wage is so low that they have to choose between housing or food?

        January 28, 2013 at 3:04 pm | Report abuse |
        • kckaaos

          Q1) a homeless person that's been on the streets for years – since their teens when they were kicked out of an abusive home – who can't even get ID because they don't know anyone anymore who can vouch for their identity?

          A1)It does not matter who they know. You are not getting a state ID unless you have verification of live birth. States do not call friends and have them describe you to them.

          Q2) a homeless woman with kids scared to go to the authorities because her abusive husband may find her?

          A1) Is she safer on the streets? Are her kids safer on the streets? Where is her family and why do they not want her and her kids around? In these cases, more often than not, the "homeless woman" perpetuates her own problem.

          Q3) a homeless alcoholic or drug addict who escapes the reality of depressing life but is too far gone that they know no other way to live?

          A3)This is a simple (and inaccurate) argument. Many drug addicts prefer to spend their money on drugs rather than food and housing. I am sorry, but that is the cold hard truth. You can argue that they are addicted, but then again, they made those choices with full knowledge of their effects. Using your reasons as an excuse is called "enabling their addiction" and is a large piece of the problem. Addicts recover and stay recovered more often when faced with reality.

          Q4) a person who works full-time but because the wage is so low that they have to choose between housing or food?

          A4) Believe it or not, the answer is NOT to raise minimum wage. Raising minimum wage increases prices and therefore lowers everyone's purchasing power...including the person who got the pay increase.

          In the end, here will always be homeless Americans. While many are there by fate, many are there by choice. Drug addicts are there by choice. Alcoholics, by choice. Any other conclusion is just excuses and by recognizing those excuses as valid, you are enabling their addiction and prolonging (even thwarting) their recovery. Those two categories consume well over 75 % of the homeless population.

          January 29, 2013 at 9:51 am | Report abuse |
  9. paulronco

    Everyone on the progressive left knew that cutting these subsidy programs would wind up costing the city more while creating a humanitarian disaster. But being cruel to the weakest members of society is politically appealing, so that's why it happened.

    January 28, 2013 at 2:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • ThinkingBeyondYou

      Paul,
      Exactly how many families have you pulled off the street to share your home with for free? They gotta eat too, so you're gonna need more groceries. And your basic cable lifestyle isn't up to snuff, so you're gonna need to upgrade to DirecTV to keep the kids entertained. Do you're part Paul.

      January 28, 2013 at 2:39 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Jeff

    $36,000 to house a family?

    Here's an idea: you don't have to live in one of the most expensive cities in the world. $3000 a month will buy some really nice houses in most of the country.

    January 28, 2013 at 2:32 pm | Report abuse |
  11. ThinkingBeyondYou

    I just thought of something...
    This family could move to Florida, find a bank owned home, and squat for free. All they have to do is post up a sign that says they're occupying the home and they can't be "evicted".
    Apparently they allow homless people to do whatever they want in Florida, why not in your city?

    January 28, 2013 at 2:30 pm | Report abuse |
  12. Trevon

    It seems Obama's trickle up poverty is working.

    January 28, 2013 at 2:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • Southerners are Animals

      Yeah, I'm sure the Democrats are the ones who are pushing for cuts in housing subsidies/welfare. You f8##king dork.

      January 28, 2013 at 2:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • Reel to Real

      The picture says everything. That's the problem right there. Blacks are lazy. Every city has a taco bell or store that is hiring, it's very easy to see. But blacks dont do that, they dont know the meaning of work... they leach and steal. Obozo supports all his homies at the tax payers expense too. It's sad.

      January 28, 2013 at 2:35 pm | Report abuse |
      • Get the facts

        Reel to Real
        Do you know that there are more none Blacks that are benefiting from our social program?

        January 28, 2013 at 2:59 pm | Report abuse |
        • kckaaos

          I am sorry, but that statistical puke is a lie. Liberals love citing numbers, not rates in their political banter. If your data is not normalized, it is a lie...no matter how many times you regurgitate it, I say "regurgitate" because you are puking up someone else's lies because you do not understand the numbers enough to calculate your own statistics.

          January 29, 2013 at 9:56 am | Report abuse |
    • paulronco

      Cutting entitlement spending is a Republican mantra, in case you weren't aware or didn't want to be inconvenienced with facts.

      January 28, 2013 at 2:43 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Buck

    This is a fact; the cost to send one 'astronaut' up to the International Fake Station so NASA can keep duping the masses with 'astro-evolution', would house 10,000 people for a year. Yet what is more important for America is to hold onto the fakery master-minded by Hitlers scientists fifty years ago, and coordinated between NASA and the Soviet CCCP. We've spent untold billions on NASA's "space show" so they can feed us computerized pics of 'exploding stars' from the 'Big Bang'. Every single bit of it is a waste, and because we have supported and promoted this charade, this country is in dire straights which was predicted by the first man to 'call out' NASA yet who was marginalized – Bill Kaysing.

    I suppose that instead of helping to shelter those who are less fortunate, we want to entertain the 'astro-evolutionists' with our tax dollars....

    http://www.fountainsofthegreatdeep.com/IFS.htm

    January 28, 2013 at 2:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kevin

      On the other hand, there are many technological spinoffs of the space program that contribute to the economy in long-term and sustainable ways. For example, the microcomputer, insulating materials, database management, high density batteries, sewage treatment, air purification systems, artificial heart, jaws of life, fire resistant materials, MRI's, breast cancer detection, microlasers, wireless communication, electric car, Doppler RADAR. This is just a sample–there are hundreds of others.

      January 28, 2013 at 2:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • Truthiness on Top

      @Buck. Are you seriously suggesting that the Space program, the landing on the moon, the views from the Hubble Telescope, the Mars Rover and all of that are "FAKE" ?? You, sir, have some serious delusions.
      Its not the space program that has led to the homeless problem. That is being caused by the GOP who wants to cut government spending. Instead of ending subsidies to corporations and the wealthiest 2%, they removd subsidies to those who cant afford it. The current wave of homelessness is being caused SOLELY by GOP strategies... and look how well thought out it ended up! Instead of spending 10K on the vouchers, its now spending 36K for the same family...and that is PER family. See what amazing savings you have made in those 'spending cuts'? Brilliant!!!

      January 28, 2013 at 2:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • datruth

      Buck,

      If you seriously believe any of that, you are a detriment to your species. Evolution and Astronomy are the past, present, and future. You have a right to sit in your trailer park, thinking that earth is the center of the universe, and that there is a floating magician right above the clouds. But you are wrong. We went to the Moon. We have rovers on Mars. We have a satellite near the sun. We have two man-made objects exiting our little slice of the galaxy. The space age is upon us. Those who deny science will inevitably be weeded out by natural selection. The article you posted is the opinion of an unstable sociopath, with no sources, science, or evidence to support any of his "claims". Please, do NOT reproduce.

      January 28, 2013 at 2:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • comeagain

      seriously man, you think money is REALLY going to solve this issue? really?!?!?

      January 28, 2013 at 3:36 pm | Report abuse |
  14. frank thomas

    My neighbor here in California spends the winter at this home in Thailand, we noticed activity in his back yard, sure enough the homeless had set up a camp on his patio, We did not call poplice, had a talk with them and they left,Had to have all the junk they left behind cleaned up, they came back lookin for their trash, Fortunatly it was still in the trash cans and they made a mess taking what they wanted,Will have to call police next time, Could pose a danger to the neighborhood.

    January 28, 2013 at 2:20 pm | Report abuse |
  15. NH Tax Payer

    This is all due to the dollar not being worth what it was.
    First job I had in the late 70's was at min. wage. No problem paying
    my own way had my own apt. and still had money. The wages have to
    be huge to live today. The dollar needs to be strengthened.

    January 28, 2013 at 2:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • str8vision

      So very true, as a young man back in the early 70's I made a comfortable living even at minimum wage. Unfortunately, I don't expect the value of the U.S. dollar to increase anytime soon since the fed is printing/conjuring it at break-neck speed. Instead I fully expect the value to drop much farther over time. The only thing saving us from hyperinflation is that much of the rest of the world is printing fiat money as fast as we are.

      January 28, 2013 at 2:52 pm | Report abuse |
  16. rad666

    So, will the mayor of NYC scream at Congress to do something about it?

    It worked for Christie.

    In fact, every mayor or governor should start attacking Congress to get more federal funding.

    January 28, 2013 at 2:16 pm | Report abuse |
  17. Ted

    A rare photo when a back father is with a family.

    January 28, 2013 at 2:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • OfCourseYouSay

      Listen to the Chi Lites tune "Oh Girl", 1960:

      "All my friends call me a fool....they say let the woman take care of you"

      This is a cultural norm in the blak ghetto culture ....it won`t change with democrats in charge.

      January 28, 2013 at 2:15 pm | Report abuse |
      • Southerners are Animals

        Yeah, because 20 years of Reagan/Bush Sr/Bush Jr did a ton to fix urban problems, right Bubba Joe Bob?

        January 28, 2013 at 2:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • E

      You must be one of those funny guys who has black friends and claims he isnt really racist, right? Part of the problem and could be part of the solution.

      January 28, 2013 at 2:29 pm | Report abuse |
  18. Andre

    Go team Obama! Got to love the Obama economy.

    January 28, 2013 at 2:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • OfCourseYouSay

      It is totally oxymoronic to say "Obama economy"

      January 28, 2013 at 2:13 pm | Report abuse |
  19. sly

    A good solution would be to castrate all rich males, which would slowly reduce the number of billionaires.

    For 50 straight years, the top 1% of this country has gotten richer, thanks to Republicans who refuse to tax the rich. Now, 80% of the nations wealth is owned by the top 3%.

    Simply executing all the rich, or perhaps just castrating them, would solve most of the nations problems immediately.

    Or, for you wimps out there, I suppose we could actually tax the billionaires, but my understanding is that Republicans won't agree to that.

    Y'all built this problem, but you ain't got the guts to solve it. So, live with it and stop complaining.

    January 28, 2013 at 2:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • chrisjb

      Yes the rich are all evil unscrupulous scum, and the poor like you are dirty uneducated thieves. Go back to your 8 ball sly. iI's doing wonders for your brain function.

      January 28, 2013 at 2:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • RJ

      Hate to break it to you, but there are more rich Democrats than Republicans.

      January 28, 2013 at 2:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • CatastropheCathy

      wow so you want to castrate all the people that can actually afford to have kids??? plus there are plenty of rich democrats too...just look at all the actors and athletes of the world. Any real solution would be nice but just blaming one party and offering something obsurd is a waste of time.

      January 28, 2013 at 2:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tony L

      Castrate the poor blacks that are out spreading poverty with every young stupid girl they impregnate. The rich are sending thier children to college and paying their bills . The poor on the other hand are a burden on society they pay n o thing but collect all their lives be it thru food stamps or heat assistance or food assistance or even living in a prison cell, they contribute nothing , they refuse to work so we need to have illegal immagrants come and do the work that when I was young we tried to get these jobs so we could have some freedom and independance and purchase our own things like a car and clothes and take a girl on a date. We didnt just hang around the hood bashing whitey because he has and they have not. GET OFF YOUR LAZY BLACK BUTT AND GET TO WORK>

      January 28, 2013 at 2:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • kckaaos

      You left out this part:

      For the last 50 years the poor have got richer too. In fact, America's poor are some of the richest in the world. In fact, the family in the picture would be considered quite wealthy in many countries...after all, they have coats. I think every American should have to spend a few months in a third-world country before being allowed to vote.

      January 29, 2013 at 9:59 am | Report abuse |
  20. OfCourseYouSay

    Do not under any circumstances give these homeless people a large Coke, they might get fat.
    The answer is simple – raise taxes......yeah, that`s the ticket.

    January 28, 2013 at 2:05 pm | Report abuse |
  21. boomer in Mo

    In case you all haven't noticed, many businesses and some religious organizations are using the health care law to make ALL birth control virtually illegal under insurance plans and only those who can pay the price for it themselves will have it.. Wait for an enormous population boom among the lower classes who will be unable to afford good birth control. And do you really expect adults to quit having sex? Get real.

    January 28, 2013 at 1:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • Skarphace

      First, those on Medicade will still be on Medicade. Second, if those who currently do not have health insurance all of a sudden do have health insurance that does not offer birth control, then how does this make the problem worse?

      January 28, 2013 at 1:58 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jay

        I'm sorry, but I stopped reading your reply after you spelled Medicaid "medicade".

        January 28, 2013 at 2:04 pm | Report abuse |
        • danman

          I know. It made me thirsty. I prefer orange medicade after a hard workout.

          January 28, 2013 at 2:13 pm | Report abuse |
        • Skarphace

          Yeah, unfortunately I catch most of my spelling mistakes after I post. Oh well, you knew what I was referring to, obviously, because you corrected the spelling.

          January 28, 2013 at 2:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • DP

      Last time I checked, it cost about 50 cents to buy a condom from a vending machine. Birth control is about $10 at Walmart.

      January 28, 2013 at 2:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • ThinkingBeyondYou

        And it's free to pull out.
        Works 99% of the time – almost as good as a condom.

        January 28, 2013 at 2:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • OfCourseYouSay

      What ??? The Obamacare ( ACA) legislation DOES NOT make any birth control illegal.
      You stayed up too late again, didn`t you ?

      January 28, 2013 at 2:07 pm | Report abuse |
      • Skarphace

        Well, it allows churches and other nonprofits to offer insurance that excludes birth control and abortion funding. Perhaps this is what they were referring to.

        January 28, 2013 at 2:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • kckaaos

      You are talking like it is free now and will be outlawed. there is no population boom now.

      January 29, 2013 at 12:40 am | Report abuse |
  22. SC

    and yet, they put full steam ahead and immediate effort into banning firearms.
    the NYS goverment is a disgrace... they are an embarrassment to the union as a whole.

    January 28, 2013 at 1:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • doug

      Yes, they should be arming the homeless, not taking their guns away.

      January 28, 2013 at 1:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Skarphace

      Don't worry, the aren't going to ban assault rifles on a federal level. I doubt they will get it passed even in California. The NRA, who gets much of it's money through donations from arms dealers, is stoking the fires in order to entice more people to buy guns. The motive for their propaganda is profit, pure and simple. It usually is.

      January 28, 2013 at 2:02 pm | Report abuse |
      • OfCourseYouSay

        The Fed is too busy suing States ( AZ, AL, SC) to limit their authority on immigration enforcement. They have their lurid priorities all sorted out.

        January 28, 2013 at 2:10 pm | Report abuse |
  23. CosmicC

    If the minimum wage were a living wage, we wouldn't have such a large percentage of our society working full time and still unable to afford food, shelter, and clothing.

    January 28, 2013 at 1:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • taxedmore

      If they didn't drop out of school maybe they could get and hold better paying jobs.

      January 28, 2013 at 1:57 pm | Report abuse |
      • BoyntonResident

        I understand what you are saying, but unless you want to wash your own dishes when eating out, we still need low wage workers. If not the ones doing it now, we would need more low skilled immigrants. The whole New York area is an expensive place to live, so what would suggest these low wage workers do?

        January 28, 2013 at 2:16 pm | Report abuse |
      • NYer

        You need people to work jobs as cashiers, stocking shelves and clothing racks, delivering pizza, dishwashers, bus tables, etc. etc. etc. Not everyone should be college educated. Not everyone should have a "high paying" job. But also too there needs to be top-end wage earners as well. Society can only function with a full range of wokers from the "lowest" to the boards of directors. However, those at the highest levels need to make sure the lowest workers can live independently. I was at the intake center in the photograph recently because my husband got laid off in the Fall and we will eventually run out of money and were there to see the "diversion" team to help keep us from becoming homeless. Amost all of the people I spoke to there had jobs and they were from all ethnic groups. By the way, I live in a "cheap" neighborhood in Washington Heights and my rent is $1,850 a month. This was the cheapest apartment I could find. Financial planning experts say that your monthly rent should not be more than one week's gross pay. Do the math...that's almost $100K a year and we don't make that much.

        January 28, 2013 at 2:47 pm | Report abuse |
        • emma

          Get roommates. My bf lived in a 3 bedroom apt Bushwick for a year with 2 strangers for $750 a month. It wasn't ideal, but it was what he could afford at the time. By your math, that amounts to ~40K a year.

          January 28, 2013 at 3:28 pm | Report abuse |
        • BoyntonResident

          Emma, in her comment she mentions she is married. She could have kids, but we don't know. If you are not single or if you have kids, roommates may not always be the answer. Also, not many dishwashers earn $40,000 per year, so even roommates won't help everyone.

          January 28, 2013 at 4:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • OfCourseYouSay

      If the minimum wage law was abolished everyone might have a job.

      January 28, 2013 at 2:11 pm | Report abuse |
      • LL Cool Jim

        Lol. Right and be like China paying $1 an hour. Will that do the economy any good?

        January 28, 2013 at 2:14 pm | Report abuse |
  24. DCG

    If you can't afford contraception, then you probably can't afford to have sex.

    January 28, 2013 at 1:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • Andrew

      If you're unwilling to think of your collective, you shouldn't try to sound like you're a functioning part of it.

      January 28, 2013 at 1:53 pm | Report abuse |
      • indianriver

        The freedom to be an individual far outweighs the limited shortcomings of our "collective".

        January 28, 2013 at 1:57 pm | Report abuse |
        • doug

          If "individuals" like you keep multiplying, there will be no collective. Fortunately, you are a dying breed.

          January 28, 2013 at 1:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • taxedmore

      You got that right!

      January 28, 2013 at 1:58 pm | Report abuse |
  25. ThinkingBeyondYou

    This couple has been poor for a long time. When the lady was asked how the housing subsidiary was she said, "good, but now it's back to the old way". These people could never affort to support themselves and were given 3 years to have affordable living and get thier lives together and come up with a plan to move to a more affordable area, or get education/better jobs, an opportunity they clearly squandered. Not it's back to the "same old thing"... reality.
    3/4 kids and pregnant again? Between the wife and husband they can't support themselves or their kids, yet they continue to produce more mouths to feed? Unexcusable.
    The only people excused for homelessless for an extended period of time are mentally/physically disabled.

    January 28, 2013 at 1:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rocco

      Agreed. If people stopped mass producing when they know that cannot afford a family maybe taxes wouldnt be so Damned High. The more people relying on Governemnet support the higher the taxes get

      January 28, 2013 at 1:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • doug

      That's a fine bunch of generalizations, but you don't know why these folks are still down and out, you are assuming. In this economy you can't support your argument without know the specifics. I will say, you sound like the typical conservative who argues that people who can't get it together should not have more children but then don't support subsidized birth control or legal abortions. You couldn't be more inconsistent, and less humane, if you tried. And you are trying I believe.

      January 28, 2013 at 1:55 pm | Report abuse |
      • ThinkingBeyondYou

        I support subsidized birth control and legal abortion under any cercumstances 100%. You might be generalizing yourself.
        I also support gay marriage.

        January 28, 2013 at 1:59 pm | Report abuse |
      • dorsh44

        We can't control these people so why would we want to then be responsible for them. I don't have/make much but thats why I have to be responsible with what I do have. No vacations, affordable hobbies etc. I could be having a lot more fun if I just said f-it a lot more. I can only control me, so I should only be responsible for me. Above the basic taxes for a common defense, some infrastructure and a couple of short term safety nets maybe, why should I afford other peoples irresponsibility?

        January 28, 2013 at 2:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • Skarphace

      There will always be poor. There will always be homeless.

      The question is: do the rest of us care?

      January 28, 2013 at 2:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • comeagain

        i think by this message board it's obvious that many of us care. but what we will do about it beyond ranting on the internet is beyond any of us.

        January 28, 2013 at 3:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • drinker75

      Low education, low intelligence people have more kids which is a big problem this country is facing. There aren't enough low skill jobs anymore because so many factory jobs have been shipped overseas. What are we going to do with these people if they don't stop having kids, especially at a rate higher than the replacement rate?

      January 28, 2013 at 2:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kitty

      I agree. Why do these indigent, homeless people keep reproducing? That being said, how is it the taxpayers' problem that they don't have a place to live? People need to take responsibility for their actions. Don't bring more children into the world when you already are living off the rest of us! The majority of these people probably made their own messes. Mandatory sterilization after two children in these cases would go a long way!!! GET A JOB and QUIT MAKING MORE BABIES!!!!

      January 28, 2013 at 2:42 pm | Report abuse |
  26. Steve

    Sounds just like typical government to me. It spends $36,000 to do something when it really costs 10,000. We used to sell industrial machines to the government, by the time they added their specs., they would pay $120,000 for the same machine that cost 60,000. That's just the way they work.
    I'm sure they aren't feeding these people steak and lobster every night. Or buying their booze and smokes. It probably costs $8,000 actual, the rest goes to an agency.

    January 28, 2013 at 1:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • drinker75

      You are reading it wrong. It says the government gives $10,000 but it costs $36,000 to house them.

      January 28, 2013 at 2:04 pm | Report abuse |
      • drinker75

        Actually nevermind, we both read it wrong. Sorry!

        January 28, 2013 at 2:12 pm | Report abuse |
        • LL Cool Jim

          It cost us $10K a year for a family if the government give them housing subsidy. It cost us $30K a year if we DON'T give housing subsidy and shelter them in homeless shelters. Are we clear?

          January 28, 2013 at 2:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • ihatedumb

      SHut up, Jim! Clear?

      January 28, 2013 at 2:36 pm | Report abuse |
  27. JIM

    We should only help the big money corporations and banks, but not the people. That sounds fair. You could of gave eveyone a million dollars with the stimulus we have wall street.

    January 28, 2013 at 1:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • indianriver

      Give a poor person a million and they spend it. Give a rich person a million and they make 2 million more. Yes, give incentives to the rich because the poor, as the folks highlighted in this article prove, are too ignorant to know how to save or invest money. They procreate instead. Brutal truth.

      January 28, 2013 at 1:55 pm | Report abuse |
      • LL Cool Jim

        FYI – the rich already have incentives.
        1. Capital gains tax is taxed not @ regular income, which @ Fed level can be up to 39.6% but instead @ 15%
        2. Rich can itemize their deductions when they file taxes instead of taking the standard deduction since they most likely have more deductions than the poor. Which effectively, will lower their actual TAX RATE not actual taxes paid. Because of this, their tax rate could be less than the rate the very poor pays.

        I have a few more but you can see my point that the rich already have advantages over the poor.

        January 28, 2013 at 2:23 pm | Report abuse |
      • kckaaos

        If you give these people $1 million, over half of them would be broke or dead in a year. A few would pull themselves up, but the majority would simply buy more drugs and alcohol than they ever thought possible. Over 70% of the homeless are drug addicts.

        January 29, 2013 at 10:06 am | Report abuse |
  28. Person

    Stratospheric population density has a multitude of problems. I'm no spokesman for humanity, but hiving like bees doesn't seem like a utopia to me.

    January 28, 2013 at 1:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • AGeek

      It also has a plethora of benefits. No, it's not a utopia, but when it's done right, it does offer *far* more benefits than downsides.

      January 28, 2013 at 1:24 pm | Report abuse |
      • NYCer

        Totally agree with AGeek above. Take all of us NYC residents who choose to live stacked on top of each other with no cars... several million of us! and then put us all out in the burbs with much larger freestanding homes and cars. It would be such a hit to the environment, it would make Al Gore cry.

        January 28, 2013 at 1:48 pm | Report abuse |
      • michael

        How do you see that? We live on many country acres for the same price of a down payment on a city dwelling. Crime is next to zero. We wave and everyone waves back as they pass our place. and we have so much space we cant even see the nearest neighbor. There is still work to be had ruraly ..even hi tec work. Sure we make less but the cost of living is so low that it doesn't matter. If you like to live like a sardine in a can breathing pollution then good for you. as for me..The fence around my place is over a mile and the wife can ride her horses all day as the cost of living is so low that she does not have to work at all if she does not want to. To each their own..Have fun in the city where you are totally dependent on others for everything. No city in existence has the space to provide it self with its own food, energy, building and maintenance materiel's. etc..etc... this does not even begin to consider the wasted energy usage for transporting all of these goods and resulting waste too and from. Cities are totally dependent on the vast surrounding areas that support them and so in turn are the people. Don't get me wrong the cities have their charms and can be fun to visit but dang...live there... no way.

        January 28, 2013 at 1:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Harleyknowya

      Let's put the homeless of NYC in the Hamptons for the winter in the homes of the rich and famous and then memorial day weekend they can come back to a warmer city. I'm sure the rich liberal bleeding hearts won't mind sharing.

      January 28, 2013 at 1:50 pm | Report abuse |
  29. Casual observer

    Amazing how this story AFTER the election

    January 28, 2013 at 1:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • mike

      Anything else in today's news that wasn't being discussed before the election...held almost three months ago?!

      January 28, 2013 at 1:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lone

      A voter who only pays attention during elections is almost as bad as no vote at all.

      January 28, 2013 at 1:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • sly

      Only ignorant people are unaware that the news is reported daily.

      If you believe the whole world is conspiring to lie about the news and suppress it, you are one of those teabillies who thinks all scientists are lying about global warming.

      But let's play with the 'mentally challenged' for a second, as they're responses are always amusing: So, let me guess, the Democrats denied there were any homeless in NYC, or in any big city, since that would help defeat the tea party? Oh that's right, if this news had come out, NY would not have voted for Obama 65-35%, it would really have been 80-20% Romney, since no New Yorkers were aware there were any poor or homeless, and the news that there are would really reflect badly on the President.

      Yeah ...

      January 28, 2013 at 1:56 pm | Report abuse |
  30. nanobelle

    We are on the edge of failure. My husband lost his job 7 mos ago. He is on unemployment, a benefit he paid into as well as everyone else and not something he ever wanted to collect. 8 yrs of loyalty and hard work did not stop his company from bottom lining him- in fact it was considered a shrewd business move to cut the fat and free up money as profits dwindled. I imagine I'm next. Full time workers are considered luxuries in the business world. Why pay an experienced educated person when younger, ignorant people are available to work part time without benefits? Discard them if they don't quit first. Blame them for all the ills in the world, too, while we're at it. Nobody wants to work for nothing? Why not? We should cheapen everything, labor, goods, people and then complain when nothing seems to last or has any apparent value. We are our own worst enemies. Berate the powerless while they're down and make sure their children suffer too. Hide it under patriotism or religious righteousness if it makes you feel better and hope your turn never comes.

    January 28, 2013 at 1:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • ling

      No one will hire me full-time at 18 with benefits. I also didn't cause this crisis. Thanks for blaming me.

      January 28, 2013 at 1:19 pm | Report abuse |
      • Red Dog

        Uncle Sam is hiring 18 year-olds.

        January 28, 2013 at 1:26 pm | Report abuse |
        • ling

          That's what i've had to do.

          January 28, 2013 at 1:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • Mary

        Read her post again. She didn't blame you, she blamed the greed of the corporations.

        January 28, 2013 at 1:47 pm | Report abuse |
      • nanobelle

        I apologize. In no way do I blame young people. I thought I was showing how we are all victimized by this pattern. If you work hard and give your loyalty to a business, you shouldn't be rewarded with redundancy by the import of cheaper labor. This might be you in ten years time if you don't job hop- I sure hope not. Education has not proven a stay against homelessness or joblessness. Not every indigent person is a drug addict or slut, either. Many are people with good intentions and bad luck. In NY the numbers are in ratio to its size...no city is without this problem. There are blankets under the bridge in the country town I live in. I will fight to avoid this destiny but I see little compassion if it does. I hope only good things for you. I will not insult you by judgement or stereotyping if can help it.

        January 28, 2013 at 1:49 pm | Report abuse |
        • sexyginger

          I will let you in on a secret. All of the lies about the value of hard work are done to take advantage of you. I blame the government for much of the lies about overvaluing work. The only way hard work pays off is if you own a business.
          Every time you hear about the great value of hard work just remember who benefits from all your hard work.

          January 28, 2013 at 2:19 pm | Report abuse |
        • li'lbutte

          Nice post to some of the commentors here that think it couldn't happen to them. I'm almost 60 now and have only been unemployed for 18 months since I was 15. Those 18 months in my late 40's killed my plans though. Had to start over with another home, lost that, (in a housing bubble in the early 90's that coincided with my lost job) So now I hope to be able to retire at 70 with a 15 year mortgage.
          I retrained in IT while remodeling grocery stores at night which paid miserably. Good luck to you and keep truckin. Determination will get you back on track.

          January 28, 2013 at 2:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bill

      Employees do not pay into unemployment. That is a burden that falls on the employer only.

      January 28, 2013 at 1:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • tom

        are you really that stupid? in new jersey and every other state i have worked in you pay for unemployment benefits.

        January 28, 2013 at 1:39 pm | Report abuse |
        • John

          He is mostly correct. In most states, unemployment is paid solely by the employer. However, in a handful of states (NJ, CA, PA to name a few) unemployment is paid by both the employer and the employee (more by the employer than the employee).

          January 28, 2013 at 1:51 pm | Report abuse |
      • Joan

        Bill, I have had unemployment insurance taken out of my pay for the last 40 years. How can you say the employee does not pay for unemployment benefits???

        January 28, 2013 at 1:50 pm | Report abuse |
        • neverpaid

          i have worked since i was 15 and have NEVER paid into unemployment. the states i've worked in – the employers cover that cost.

          January 28, 2013 at 2:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • doughnuts

      ling, I'm guessing part of your employment problem is a lack of reading comprehension. She wasn't blaming you, personally, or your generation. She was blaming corporate management.

      January 28, 2013 at 1:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • Downbutnotout

      Best of luck to you.

      January 28, 2013 at 1:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • michael

      Wow... if an 18 year old with no degree can replace you, your degree, your experience and your high wages. Then you need replacement. not trying to insult you but dang...listen to the facts you just gave us. For example, If you could buy gas that costs much less than the gas you get at the station you have been going too for 8 years that gets your car to the same place you need to go, then you buy it instead. Am I wrong on this?

      January 28, 2013 at 1:36 pm | Report abuse |
      • Marc

        Yes, you are missing something. 1: Employees are different from gas on both philosophical and economical levels. If the market for gas shifts, there is not much impact on the greater economy. When unemployment is high, however, markets are significantly impacted. Most wage-earners return most of their income to the market. As these wages dry up, less money is infused into the market, leading to reduced demand, reduced prices, and a shrinking economy. Companies can make inferior goods till the cows come home, but if nobody is buying them, they will suffer. 2: It is very difficult to quantify the value of experience and quality, particularly in the short term. Therefore, the fact that an 18 yr old can replace an experienced worker only means that the cost of providing lower quality goods and services does not outweigh the benefits realized from paying part-time wages vs. full-time wages. Remember, these decisions are often made on a "short-term" basis, so even if they damage the long-term viability of the company, they are often chosen by a CEO who is beholden to his/her stock holders. 3) With increased unemployment, there is a greater burden on society to support people who are not contributing to the economy.
        It is a very challenging question because while decision makers are generally guided by short-term returns, society is clearly benefitted by looking at long-term viability of decisions. So in answer to your question, yes... you are wrong on this (though there are scenarios where you may not be wrong in the gas scenario – however, remember... nothing comes for free. If you're paying less for gas, there is a reason you are paying less for it. It may hurt your car in the long term, it may be diluted, it may just be poorer quality – so while it might get you where you want to go, in the long term, it might be less expensive to go with the quality product).

        January 28, 2013 at 2:04 pm | Report abuse |
      • nanobelle

        You're right. I was busy raising a child and working part time with no college degree. I'm married 25 yrs to the same man who was laid off 4 times in those years each time to outsourcing. He has an education and skills and thought he would circumnavigate corporate cruelty by working for someone with a cause he could support. They achieved their dream with his help and then promptly dropped him when they got there. I have at one time or another worked three jobs simultaneously to make things go while we tried to regain our feet. I am experienced to the max. So is he. But each time its gotten harder to restart that ball rolling. I did not paper chase but I will challenge anyone that wants to prove that I lack meaningful and competitive skills to flourish in the modern workforce. I will dig ditches or write essays, whatever the job demands.

        January 28, 2013 at 2:10 pm | Report abuse |
  31. Casuul observer

    Amazing how this stoy is published AFTER the election.

    January 28, 2013 at 1:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • mike

      The election was three months ago.

      January 28, 2013 at 1:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • James PDX

      Amazingly, things continue to happen in the world during the entire 4 years between elections, not just in the last few months before one. Imagine that.

      January 28, 2013 at 1:55 pm | Report abuse |
  32. Matthew

    The rent is too damn high!

    January 28, 2013 at 1:11 pm | Report abuse |
  33. Smart Choices

    Forget politics the politics...people need to make smart choices for themselves. If you cannot support your family of 4 why are you pregnant again? BIrth control and self restraint are both free.

    January 28, 2013 at 1:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • gert612

      You're assuming at the time of those births that they couldn't afford them. They very well may have lost their jobs AFTER the briths and now be in financial hardship. You have a knee jerk reaction for blaiming people for doing something you see as irresponsible when you don't know the circumstances.

      January 28, 2013 at 1:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • IfYouDontKnowNowYouKnow

      Even when you make all the right choices things can go wrong. Anyway everyone make suboptimum choices at one point or another. Just because you didn't suffer as a result doesn't make you any better or smarter than someone else who has.

      January 28, 2013 at 1:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lone

      You cannot live in anything but a bubble if you think it is that simple. Amongst many other factors, if you weren't fortunate enough to be born into a nuclear family, or at least to a well-rounded, supportive parent, then you will lack certain tools to build a life with. You aren't born with social or personal responsibility, and you cannot boot strap thin air as some like to think. The roof that keeps your head dry can only be built after every other room in the house. Many, lacking their own tools, have never counted the things that have made their life possible, yet still expect the rest of the world to keep up without them.

      January 28, 2013 at 2:29 pm | Report abuse |
  34. Blloombergfullofshit

    The Legacy of Mayor Bloomberg.. HOMELESS

    Mayor Bloomberg raised the cost of living on the Middle Class
    Raped the Middle Class and moved them to Poverty.
    Forced bridge tolls, transit fares and property taxes to rise and forced quota driven enforcement of traffic laws.. all to shore up his failed plans and failed financial and economic oversight of New York City. This with BILLIONS of Federal dollars pouring into New York City.

    Bloomberg... the mark of FAILURE.

    January 28, 2013 at 1:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • li'lbutte

      All that and then some, he had time to put a cap on soda size!!????

      January 28, 2013 at 4:13 pm | Report abuse |
  35. Red Dog

    I'm sure that the plight of the homeless in "his" city is not as important to Mayor Bloomberg as regulating the size of soft drinks sold by street vendors and making damn sure that the citizens of Gotham don't have the ability to defend themselves with guns from the criminals who rule the streets.

    January 28, 2013 at 1:04 pm | Report abuse |
  36. Sagebrush Shorty

    Deal with it Mayor Bloomberg. You're the guy who knows everything.

    January 28, 2013 at 1:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • doughnuts

      He's blaming the Big Gulp sodas for the homelessness.

      January 28, 2013 at 1:29 pm | Report abuse |
  37. krhwon

    This is so tipical companies and corporations consintently balance there books and meet wall street expectations on the back of the government and the working people, but when they are turning huge profits only the top executives see any of the rewards, which in turn if you making 10$per hr today 5yrs from now you will be making 10.50$. The American Economic systems is backwards. While companies don't have to provide jobs and only answers to investors, they need to start reinvesting back into the american economy or they will soon have no one that can afford there services or purchase there product. Remember this, the economy only work when everyday common folks can be a part of it. not millionairs and billionairs. They allready have everything and allready get everything for free.

    January 28, 2013 at 1:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • ThinkingBeyondYou

      If you make $10/hr today and still have the same job in 5 years. That is your failure.
      Entry jobs are just that, entry. Work hard, expend your skill set. Make yourself worth more than you're being paid and oppotunities will arise at your present company or another.
      If you only do the job you were innitially hired for, then that is the job you will keep. And, the same job an 18 year old kid with zero experience can replace you at after 30 years.

      January 28, 2013 at 1:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • nanobelle

        That's what we thought too. I never said no to any task laid before me. I made myself very valuable...without a degree I'm affordable but my loyalty has made very expensive. A raise or two and I'm ready for the gibbet I constructed myself. With a degree I might've gotten the axe much like my husband did. There is no panacea to greed. There is no fortress to hide in that corporate lawyers cannot penetrate. Stop blaming people for not being able to keep up in a race set up to take all contestants regardless whether they finish or not. This a modern construct that has convinced people to victimize themselves while wealthy corporations egg them on. The Robber Baron is the flag bearer at the finish line. He waits without pity and the winner will not be asked to join his friends in the Circle, believe me.

        January 28, 2013 at 2:45 pm | Report abuse |
        • sexyginger

          I enjoyed your posts. If you want to find some rewarding reading material search for Adam Smith a Scottish philosopher who espoused morality as a prerequisite for capitalism. The problem with America is morality is not a prerequisite for capitalism.

          January 28, 2013 at 3:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • citizenA

      Learn how to spell.

      January 28, 2013 at 2:07 pm | Report abuse |
  38. Fourty Sam

    Where's the 1 billion dollars for them, Bloomberg?

    January 28, 2013 at 1:01 pm | Report abuse |
  39. Pro Death

    "Ironically, the impact of having to provide shelter to more than 20,000 homeless children each night is costing the city more money than the cost of the subsidies". Well that's certainly good financial planning.

    January 28, 2013 at 12:57 pm | Report abuse |
  40. alan

    Lets blame G BUSH

    January 28, 2013 at 12:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • James PDX

      Nah, that list is already too long for us to go nitpicking.

      January 28, 2013 at 1:57 pm | Report abuse |
  41. CatSh

    Whwn the federal government cuts the budget they are basically dumping the cost on state and local governments. Your federal taxes go down – but your state and local taxes are going to skyrocket.
    They say the federal government is inefficient – wait until you see how much worse it is at the state / local level.

    January 28, 2013 at 12:56 pm | Report abuse |
  42. Zandigra

    Man, this Obama economy sure is great! Thanks to the 51% of you who elected this bozo for four more years of decline and more homeless and jobless.

    January 28, 2013 at 12:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • baelknight

      For anyone blaming Obama on the bad economy, your poor memory must have forgotten the poor economy that's been around for a large part of the 2000s. Under a republican.

      It doesn't matter who the president is. The economy is bigger than one man or one political party.

      January 28, 2013 at 1:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • NY42

      Did you read the article? Or is your level comprehension not up to par to a simple article. This is a NewYork city issue with the cancellation of the subsiidies on rent for families is causing more of them to move out of their homes and move to shelters.

      January 28, 2013 at 1:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bartleby

      Did you read the article? The problem, as stated, is that a *cut* in "entitlements" (a very Republican thing to do) caused people to lose the ability to pay rent, and thus have to go with the more expensive (to the taxpayer) option of using homeless shelters.

      January 28, 2013 at 1:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • vidal808

      You are the bozo, you have no clue of what's going on. Probably you are undereducated (sorry) or just a real morone who is opening his trap letting whatever come out. So, my suggestion is to you, crawl under a rock and stay there as long as possible, so you don't bore people again with your comments.

      January 28, 2013 at 1:09 pm | Report abuse |
      • Zandigra

        You call me unedcated, but you don't know how to spell moron? LOL

        January 28, 2013 at 2:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bill

      Wow, I am always amazed by people's short memories. Blame Obama, sure, that's a great plan. Let's forget about the fact that the economy was already tanking towards the end of the GW Bush presidency. Bush was the one who was trying to prop up the economy with the first wave of TARP. This was all at the end of his 8 glorious years of his leadership, and republican majorities in the senate, house and supreme court for much of his presidency. Never mind that most economists recognize that this was the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. And when did it happen, after eight years of GW Bush leadership. It took nearly 11 years (and a World War) to lift the economy out of the depression. I don't think you can expect Obama to do the same in such a short period of time.

      January 28, 2013 at 1:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jayman

      Blame Obama if it makes you feel good but the declined goes back well over 30 plus years. Global market should be like a four letter word. This nations leaders should not have ever signed US over to GNAT and NAFTA. Nothing like selling us down the river! Global market must be restricted to rare earth materials only. Had our textiles been left intact we would not be having this discussion right now. Our federal politicians paid for by large and rich industrial types are who to blame. Geed Greed Greed and doing it more with your IRA savings…

      January 28, 2013 at 1:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • James PDX

      Blame the GOP for providing a whole slough of far worse alternatives. Or blame the 99% for not learning from their mistakes and finally voting 3rd party.

      January 28, 2013 at 2:00 pm | Report abuse |
  43. meifumado

    Reminds me of when Giuliani took office and the the city cut funding to mental patients and the city was flooded with people trying to wash your windshields.

    January 28, 2013 at 12:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • James PDX

      Yeah, that was awful. The one thing you don't want a clear view of is the streets of NYC.

      January 28, 2013 at 2:03 pm | Report abuse |
  44. Ordinary Average American

    This country has gotten to be a real joke! The government literally throws away billions of dollars on God knows what, but allows its citizens to be ripped off by bankers and investors and then lets them suffer by living on the streets. This is not the America it used to be, thanks mostly to greed and fraud and too damn many people!

    January 28, 2013 at 12:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • JohnH

      And it will only get worse as more and more corporate money gets pumped into the political grinder. Until Americans stand up and FORCE politicians to represent them, these things will continue to get worse.

      January 28, 2013 at 12:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • James PDX

      Our country is founded on greed aka capitalism. What would any reasonable person expect to see other than corruption?

      January 28, 2013 at 2:05 pm | Report abuse |
  45. MEMORY - Got One?

    IT is similar to to the late 1980s when the Reagan Cuts to social services dumped tens of thousands of Americans from long-term care facilities and mental institutions placing them on the streets. I lived in Philadelphia at the time and the Reagan/Republican "Entitlement" Cuts literally led to the closing of Byberry State Hospital and more than 3,000 patients found themselves sleeping on the cold winter streets of the city almost overnight!

    January 28, 2013 at 12:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • meifumado

      did not see this post, this hit NYC really bad I remember it very well we had problems for a few years after this

      January 28, 2013 at 12:53 pm | Report abuse |
  46. Al Sharpton

    Put up a jiant tent city in the dessert some where so the poor will have some where to go and the rest of won't have to llook at them

    January 28, 2013 at 12:46 pm | Report abuse |
  47. nik green

    Ah, the joys of economic terrorism.

    January 28, 2013 at 12:40 pm | Report abuse |
  48. jojo

    The truth be told, the subsidies from fed have been cut and now the true cost is carried by the local community. That's why it actually costs more. Everyone is not holding the basket, just those that reside within NY

    January 28, 2013 at 12:37 pm | Report abuse |
  49. AGeek

    If you can't survive on wages paid by a job, what's the motivation to get off the public dole? None. But that's ok, because the CEO took a pay cut and will only bring home $3.5MM this year.

    To those of you screaming "get a job!", this is the entire problem. Nobody's getting rich on the welfare system. But housing, food, and healthcare has become so expensive – primarily to support so many hands in the pie and such fat salaries the closer to the top you get – that the level of a "living wage" paid by a full-time job (or two) is unattainable.

    You don't have a person welfare problem, you have a corporate and wealthy welfare problem, people.

    January 28, 2013 at 12:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Brad76

      Yep, cost of living. The entire paycheck goes to rent and people are left with pennies to buy food.

      January 28, 2013 at 12:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Selendis

      Although I completely believe corporate greed is to blame often, we the people have given this power to the money makers. Most of our problems are societal. Which says we need a desperate change in how we live.

      January 28, 2013 at 12:50 pm | Report abuse |
      • AGeek

        The cost of living is entirely a societal issue. When you can't keep your population sheltered, fed, and healthy through their own hard work, you've got a massive problem that is the foundation for for violence and abuse.

        January 28, 2013 at 12:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • BASSPUSHA

      NYC used to have problems with welfare back in the 80s when i lived there the system has made a lot of people really rich but they never put the $ back into the city to improve the lives of the needy they kept them there so its like a milk cow.But you have to remember this is a blue state when reagan wanted to change welfare it was a big problem,this is all big buisness for the cons who know how to work the system.but you know what lets take the gunsssssss thats their agenda not the real problems we face and about to face in the coming future.when they cant feed their families what they going to do ROB,STEAL,HOLD HUMANS FOR RANSOM{KIDS N ADULTS} WELL THEY TOOK YOUR GUNS AND YOUR HELPLESS WHOSE GOING TO HELP YOU NEXT STEP IS NO MONEY IN THE CITY BUDGET FOR FIRE N COPS LAY OFFS

      January 28, 2013 at 1:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sagebrush Shorty

      I still say get a job. But then again, why work when you can have it handed to you?

      January 28, 2013 at 1:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • AGeek

        If you can't live on what you're being paid, and you get no benefits to bridge the gap, how in the hell do you choose to work no matter *how* much you believe in it?! The math doesn't work, nor *can* it work.

        January 28, 2013 at 1:08 pm | Report abuse |
      • Accountant

        "get a job" is far too simplistic an answer. I used to work for a company that handled Section 8 vouchers. And, time after time, the tenants would run into this problem – the woman works hard and gets a promotion at her hourly wage job, which ups her paycheck by a whopping fifty dollars a week, but then because she's making more money her voucher and her benefits are cut to the tune of $150/week. So, by working hard to better herself, she's punished and ends up losing money. When you're trying to provide for your children, pride takes a backseat to practicalities, and they'd end up having to turn down promotions or hours at work in order to not have their benefits cut disporportionately.
        Sadly, the system is set up to disincentivize people to get off assistance and, in fact, makes it practically impossible to do so. Blaming the people stuck in this situation and telling them to just 'get a job' doesn't help anyone, and doesn't address many of the deeper issues at work here.

        January 28, 2013 at 1:59 pm | Report abuse |
  50. asskickmcgee

    Need more birth control and the government has to stop giving tax breaks for having kids.

    January 28, 2013 at 12:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Brad76

      North America doesn't have an overpopulation problem. Come back with that attitude when we've got billions of people like China or India. And that is likely never going to happen considering the baby boomers are getting older and our population is slowly decreasing.

      January 28, 2013 at 12:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • greg9

        Americans, even poor Americans, have a large carbon footprint. This country can't sustain the people it has at current living standards. And thanks to immigration, and high fertility rates among immigrants, the US population will continue to rise and especially among the country's poorest members.

        January 28, 2013 at 12:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • AGeek

      Go ask Japan how a low birthrate is working out for them. Hint: they're in deep, deep crap.

      January 28, 2013 at 12:42 pm | Report abuse |
  51. Network

    Typical dumb-o-crats. Short term feel good solutions just make things worse.

    January 28, 2013 at 12:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • Balls McGhee

      um...dont think you understand which party is for cutting entitlements...

      January 28, 2013 at 12:29 pm | Report abuse |
      • Sagebrush Shorty

        Homeless people are "entitled"?

        January 28, 2013 at 1:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • max

      Did you even read this?

      Putting them in housing (government paid and sponsored housing) is cheaper than having them flood into shelters and fend for themselves.

      Go figure, the republican solution to leave people alone and let them fend for themselves costs more than providing assistance from the government.

      January 28, 2013 at 12:32 pm | Report abuse |
      • JohnH

        ...Costs WHO more?

        January 28, 2013 at 12:43 pm | Report abuse |
        • Skarphace

          The taxpayer, that is who. Go figure that the Republicans, who call themselves 'fiscally conservative' come up with solutions that cost the taxpayer more money, not less. Just like taking the cost of two wars off the books looks good in the short term but costs us more money in the long term.

          January 28, 2013 at 1:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • CosmicC

        However, the Republicans would cut the funding for the shelters as well.

        January 28, 2013 at 1:44 pm | Report abuse |
        • li'lbutte

          and then they would need their guns ;)

          January 28, 2013 at 4:32 pm | Report abuse |
  52. tron

    No handouts for anyone If you can't take care of yourself how are you going to take care of your children? Don;t expect the hardworking folks to do it, we are sick of you bums.

    January 28, 2013 at 12:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • RenaP

      too bad they didn't follow this rule of thumb when they were bailing out all the bank and insurance executives!

      January 28, 2013 at 12:25 pm | Report abuse |
  53. common sense

    A lot of these homeless people have grown to depend on this assistance with no urge to better themselves. This has resulted in complacency and laziness. The local government needs to use that money to teach financial responsibility, and ween these people off.

    I remember watching a show where homeless shelters had job assistance programs, but none of the homeless took advantage of them.
    Kick them to the curb, I say.

    January 28, 2013 at 12:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Downbutnotout

      going to school, looking for work, and homless so don't put everyone in the same mold. How would you like people to say you and people like you shouldn't speak in a public forum? Try to think not assume.

      January 28, 2013 at 12:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • bcindayton

        so how did you post this?

        January 28, 2013 at 12:38 pm | Report abuse |
        • Downbutnotout

          At school on break in computer lab. Try thinking before making rash conclusions, makes you look foolish,

          January 28, 2013 at 12:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • eb1966

      You sound like a Social Darwinist. You better hope you or your family are never hit with any disaster or illness.

      January 28, 2013 at 12:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • common sense is a dumbfocker

      They can always become waiters.

      January 28, 2013 at 12:48 pm | Report abuse |
  54. Teatree

    The City is hoping that the homeless people will get so frustrated that they will leave and go elsewhere. Then there will be less to house and feed and the problem becomes another jurisdiction's. It is happening all over the country. In Washington, DC the homeless are pushed out to Maryland (Mainly Prince George's County and to Virginia). The Washington post recently ran an article on that. I will never be convinced that the people making decisions have not considered the higher costs incurred. It's Pavlov's conditioned response on which they are betting. That is, to make conditions so prohibitive that you just give up, pack up and take your burden somewhere else. How morally corrupt is that?

    January 28, 2013 at 12:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • common sense

      Not morally corrupt. Some people need a swift kick in the butt to do something with their lives.
      Too many lazy homeless people wasting our money, sucking on the government teet and not letting go.

      January 28, 2013 at 12:22 pm | Report abuse |
      • Balls McGhee

        just like sarah palin and the whole state of alaska and the South.

        January 28, 2013 at 12:30 pm | Report abuse |
        • smitvict

          Wow, the story is about the out of control welfare in the Northeast, and all you can do is try to deflect to the South and Alaska. New York is filled with welfare cases, and they cost so much because of the high taxes and thus high cost of living in the Northeast. That's the story here. And the services are no better than they are where taxes and thus costs are lower.

          January 28, 2013 at 1:12 pm | Report abuse |
      • aaron

        More like every red state is a welfare state. But, if they're in the trailer parks getting public assistance, that apparently is acceptable while urban dependents are not.

        January 28, 2013 at 12:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • RUDAFT

        You do realize that most of those lazy homeless people are mental patients that were released from the hospitals because there's no more long term care for the under/non insured mentally ill. But yiou saw 4 ni99as in the picture and automaticlly assumed 1 that they don't work or ever have, 2 that they are both employed and underpaid. Your racism is showing, you better tuck that back in before someone else sees it!!!!

        January 28, 2013 at 1:52 pm | Report abuse |
      • nanobelle

        I am not homeless or ignorant but even I can see how closely I tread the edge of disaster. A 40 hr work week isn't enough and who would demand more? A fool who is at present fortunate enough to preach with full stomach and an empty heart. It takes 2000 dollars to fill my oil tank, 1000 a month for rent, 125 a mo for car insurance, 225 a mo for a used car, 50 for electricity and another for internet .This doesn't account for groceries or life' little surprises. I dropped health insurance and the phone. Groceries seemed more important. Banks scent blood and if you get anywhere near bottom they'll leverage a new fee just for giggles.

        January 28, 2013 at 3:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • JohnH

      When the liberal policies fail, they shift the "problem" into another place and call it good.

      January 28, 2013 at 12:25 pm | Report abuse |
  55. Tyrone Jaquizz J'Rule

    Yo yo! Obama is gonna take care of all my homies. Hes da best! He gave me a free obama phone, free healthcare and an EBT card that I can even buy booze and lotto with. All my homies gettin them too! Now I dont have to work and I'm about to have my 8th kid with all different babies mamas... Thanks Obama you da shizzie!!

    January 28, 2013 at 12:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • FreeFromTheism

      well, we know who you voted for during the last election, and you lost
      get over it

      January 28, 2013 at 12:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Stefan

      Seems pretty clear your economic opinions are if not founded, highly influenced by your own racism.

      Thank you. I'm not always sure if I'm right about economics, but if you can take the opposing side of a racist, you are probably ok.

      January 28, 2013 at 12:37 pm | Report abuse |
  56. palintwit

    A growing number of us are convinced that Sarah Palin is the only one who can heal and re-unify our country. But first she must return to her motorhome and resume her cross country tour. She will have to visit cities both large and small, being careful to speak only to real Americans, dispensing her sage advice and folksy, homespun common sense solutions. We can be a great nation again if we all follow the "Palin Path".

    January 28, 2013 at 12:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • FreeFromTheism

      you need help, really

      January 28, 2013 at 12:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • palintwit

        Why do you say that?

        January 28, 2013 at 12:25 pm | Report abuse |
        • FreeFromTheism

          can't tell whether you're trolling or if you're serious
          if you're serious, because of what you said
          if you're trolling, you need to troll harder

          January 28, 2013 at 12:42 pm | Report abuse |
        • InfoSecRunnr

          Reading is fundamental. If you can't tell he/she is being sarcastic just from their name ("palintwit"...I mean, come on. It's obvious), then the tone of the post should give it away.

          January 28, 2013 at 2:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Downbutnotout

      My sarcasm meter just exploded

      January 28, 2013 at 1:32 pm | Report abuse |
  57. roseternal

    I agree. Why in the world is this girl pregnant again??? For real? If people are not totally stable....stop having more babies. More people to just suffer.

    January 28, 2013 at 12:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • lloyd roberts

      But abortion is murder, right. Shouldn't the church get involved here

      January 28, 2013 at 12:24 pm | Report abuse |
      • JohnH

        The Church will help them...of course they cannot drink or do drugs at the local rescue mission.

        January 28, 2013 at 12:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • StPaulie

      If they are homeless, they probably don't have enough money for birth control. This is the domino effect of cutting Planned Parenthood. PP allows payment on a sliding scale. I went to their clinics a lot when I was in my 20s to get reasonably priced care and birth control. The real issue is that our politicians want to cut everyone else's benefits but not theirs. I'd love to have health insurance but as a small business owner it is out of reach for me at the moment.

      January 28, 2013 at 12:37 pm | Report abuse |
      • JohnH

        Birth control only costs a nickel. She places the nickel between her knees and keeps it from falling to the floor.

        January 28, 2013 at 12:45 pm | Report abuse |
  58. Marsdenstar

    The big questions are why is she having another baby and why isnt her husband/significant other working? Oh wait let me answer both questions, another baby =more money and why work when the state provides everything for you free of charge ? Healthy able bodied men and women should not be given any entitlements period!!! you cant find a job join the Army you learn a skill, get 3 square meals a day, shelter and you learn to become responsible!

    January 28, 2013 at 12:04 pm | Report abuse |
  59. Mike D

    “It costs $36,000 a year to shelter a homeless family in New York City."

    Maybe the problem is why is it so much more expensive? Maybe whoever is running these programs needs another job. It shouldn't cost three times as much to put them in some crummy shelter.

    This stat also includes feeding them and mediical which comes from welfare and wic and medicaid.

    January 28, 2013 at 12:01 pm | Report abuse |
  60. glades2

    The irony is that the city is also home to the most wealthy individuals and corporations – including entertainment and media...

    January 28, 2013 at 12:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • William

      Just raise the taxes on the rich and the problem will be fixed. Also, the numbers $10,000 and $36,000 don't jive. The number is most likey the same for both – just out of different pockets. Additionally, budget cuts are not the issue, the priorities on limited resources is the issue.

      January 28, 2013 at 12:24 pm | Report abuse |
  61. pdidiness

    it's okay take away my large soda, but keep letting them pop out kid after kid that they cant afford, that's just another voter. this is what you voted for america. you're welcome.

    January 28, 2013 at 11:58 am | Report abuse |
  62. Rich

    36k to house, 10k rent voucher, 0 to let them take care of themselves. I have become completely unsympathertic as i work harder and hard for less and less

    January 28, 2013 at 11:57 am | Report abuse |
    • MM

      Yep, sometimes you just have to cut the umbilical cord. The threat of starvation / cold is one of the beat motivators.

      January 28, 2013 at 12:24 pm | Report abuse |
  63. Frank911

    Why don't we insist that our federal government STOP sending billions and billions of our tax dollars to other countries in the form of foreign aid and spend that money at home. It is a simple solution but we continue send our money overseas.

    January 28, 2013 at 11:57 am | Report abuse |
    • Pat

      Don't blame me, I voted for Ron Paul.

      January 28, 2013 at 11:59 am | Report abuse |
    • JohnH

      Politicians do not want o fix these problems. They force a wedge into society and force people to take sides. It is all a numbers game to politicians. Both sides know that doing nothing won't work AND both sides know that supporting the homeless indefinitely won't work. But it sure is a relief that the populace gets so easily distracted from the real solutions to these problems. This is called "Crisis mode decision making" and is the root of all political ideologies today. Keep turmoil brewing so the public has no time to watch dog the politicians.

      January 28, 2013 at 12:32 pm | Report abuse |
  64. joekahuna

    uggh... i feel for them, but WTF is this lady pregnant w/ a 3rd child? At what point are people held accountable for their own poor decisions.

    January 28, 2013 at 11:49 am | Report abuse |
    • Pat

      There is only one way to solve this problem....ban assault weapons...wait, ban high capacity sodas....no, that's not it...ban smoking...

      January 28, 2013 at 11:58 am | Report abuse |
    • BlackandGold

      Why wouldn't she? They've already figured out that hardworking people like me pay taxes so that they can slide by for their entire life. They sure know how to take advantage of the taxpayer but they don't know what a condom is. Damn shame but i don't feel sorry for them not having a place to live.

      January 28, 2013 at 11:59 am | Report abuse |
      • Omar

        Yes, the hardworking real Americans spend their time posting on blogs in the middle of the day....

        January 28, 2013 at 12:06 pm | Report abuse |
        • William

          Some of us get a lunch break.

          January 28, 2013 at 12:26 pm | Report abuse |
  65. Darkseider

    This is what happens when an economy begins to crumble and socialism begins to take hold. People become wards of the state and are reliant upon the state for everything from shelter to food and clothing as well as education. These same people as unfortunate as their circumstances may be will not be helped by the state in this way but further oppressed by becoming so reliant upon the state that the thought of self reliance or independence would be scary and unthinkable. This is how socialists gain their base and their support. Through the continued destruction of society through economic failure. This needs to stop and the people of this country need to say enough is enough.

    January 28, 2013 at 11:48 am | Report abuse |
    • Jsun

      There will always be people that need help, whether we have entitlement programs or not. Whether we as a nation decide to help those people makes all of the difference. I don't see anyone else stepping up to help these people out.

      January 28, 2013 at 11:59 am | Report abuse |
  66. Kstone

    Wait, why is she having a third baby!?!?

    January 28, 2013 at 11:48 am | Report abuse |
    • Pat

      She prefers to call them paychecks...

      January 28, 2013 at 11:54 am | Report abuse |
  67. Panga Singh

    Why does it cost $36000 a year in New York? The clothes come from China, most of the other goods come from ny state and other states and the process is the same across this nation. The question is why does it cost so much more in NYC? A family of 4 can live on that amount paying a mortgage on the house and for evry other expense in another city like Atlanta? Why does is cost so much in NYC or San Francicso or Chicago? Politics and politicians have created this bubble called NYC.

    January 28, 2013 at 11:44 am | Report abuse |
    • skastenbaumcnn

      @Panga Singh It has to do with the high price of real estate and high average rent in NYC, i.e.: supply and demand. Also, see my earlier reply to a similar comment:

      @bfpiercelk Good questions. People can be welfare recipients and still wind up in homeless shelters. Welfare and rent subsidies are two separate issues. There are a number of reasons why it costs so much more to house a family in the NYC shelter system... there's the cost of bureaucratic system, the high costs of putting people up temporarily in hotels while they wait for beds to open in a shelter, there is the staff required by local law to be on duty at the shelters, there are the costs of the contracts the city signs with private operators of homeless shelters... When you add up all of the bills the direct cost of placing a family in a shelter is much higher than the rent subsidy that might have been provided. Then there are the associated increased costs like the increased number of hospital visits that are often associated with shelter stays, the cost of moving children around from one school to another, etc., accord to the Coalition for the Homeless.

      January 28, 2013 at 11:53 am | Report abuse |
      • Cycnical

        Do you think it's possible that the Coalition For The Homeless has chosen their "cost" figures very carefully in order to make it appear as though the rent subsidy is far cheaper then the shelter? Usually economies of scale would result in lower costs when housing people in larger numbers under one roof. Obviously the two cost numbers are not really comparable but are useful as an attempt to sway fiscally conservative people toward favoring the housing subsidy.

        It appears as though they've added every indirect cost and opportunity cost into the shelter number while only using a pared down direct cost on the housing subsidy number. Sadly this is a typical propaganda distortion these days that makes me rebel against any organization that uses this disingenuous tactic. I would vote to eliminate both the housing subsidy, the shelter subsidy and, while we're at it eliminate rent control as well.

        January 28, 2013 at 12:40 pm | Report abuse |
  68. empresstrudy

    Mayor McCheese continuing that long tradition of gutting NYC so that it's the home of only the very poor and the very rich. Good luck with all that.

    January 28, 2013 at 11:44 am | Report abuse |
    • JOE

      That is just what he wants just one little think he really only wants the rich and then call NYC. NYC RICH AND FAMOUS.

      January 28, 2013 at 11:55 am | Report abuse |
  69. Gary

    The government is out of money, hasn't anyone noticed? I do not understand how it is up to the "government" to solve all these problems? If people cannot afford to live somewhere because the rent is too high relative to wages, then they need to move somewhere where the balance works, or the local city (New York) needs to handle it of they don't want people to move away. What is really happening is that we, the taxpayers, around the country, are subsidizing businesses that pay below the living wage in New York. If new York wants to subsidize it's own housing, that's fine, but why should I send money there to do that? If New York cannot, or will not pony up the money to subsidize housing so it can have access to inexpensive labor, then they have to find another solution. Why should the rest of us subsidize New York businesses?

    January 28, 2013 at 11:35 am | Report abuse |
    • BSM

      New York pays more into the tax system than it receives in benefits, so you're not subsidizing us. You may want to do some research before expressing righteous indignation that makes you look foolish and uniformed.

      January 28, 2013 at 11:47 am | Report abuse |
      • BSM

        *uninformed*. Yes, I feel foolish for relying on spell-check.

        January 28, 2013 at 11:49 am | Report abuse |
      • JohnH

        Every state does. The federal government is spending at 215% of revenue.

        January 28, 2013 at 11:54 am | Report abuse |
        • BSM

          Not true. Quoting a 215% spending rate and averaging it out among 50 states doesn't work, when many states take way more than their share. You have to look at each state individually, and many red states are among the takers.

          http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/08/americas-fiscal-union

          January 28, 2013 at 1:04 pm | Report abuse |
      • Gary

        And I live in Texas, where the federal government uses our state as though it were a cash machine, and then thinks they tell us how to live, and how we can protect ourselves. Did you now that our state alone accounts for 20% of U.S. exports? we handle things like this by making sure people have access to a decent pay-to-cost of living balance and have access to good regular jobs. We let the market decide who will pay what and for what. These folks should move to Dalas, San Antonio, Houston or Austin and live happily ever after. I moved here from California 20 years ago because I could see the financial and economic mess they were headed towards and I have never regretted it once. I had an offer to move to New York back then, but New York is an over-regulated, over-taxed mess. Why should the rest of us have to pay for that?

        January 28, 2013 at 11:58 am | Report abuse |
    • skastenbaumcnn

      @Gary Your argument is a common one. Many people echo your sentiment. Mayor Bloomberg would probably say, though, that the people of this city give to the federal government more money than they receive back in the form of federally funded programs and block grants. He might accept the fact that in many ways NYC is an economic engine for the rest of the country and, therefore, it has a responsibility to help out the rest of the nation with the tax revenue generated here. But at the same time, he might argue that NYC is due more money from the federal government than it currently receives.

      January 28, 2013 at 11:48 am | Report abuse |
      • Gary

        Then they need to have their political contingent in D.C. sort that out and balance those scales, rather than continue to elect representatives who go to D.C. and figure out how to continue to spend money the country does not have. If they voted Republican, they would have a sympathetic ear in D.C. who would listent o that argument. New York got what they voted for, overspending politicians who syphon their wealth off and take it out of the state. A Republican could never get elected on that platform, but democrats sure seem to be able to. And as a Republican, who has heard nothing but vitriolic and insulting anti-Republican rhetoric out of New York about my party and the dedicated and patriotic leaders of it, why should the House care about the mess New york has made for itself here and send it more money? Please tell me? I really don't think I want any of my money going there. And I live in Texas, we do not need New York's money thank you, we make plenty of our own. New York is fun to visit, but it ends right there as far as I am concerned.

        January 28, 2013 at 12:08 pm | Report abuse |
      • JohnH

        SQUIRREL!

        Virtually EVERY state pays in more than they get back. This is what happens when the federal government spends at 215% of its income rate.

        January 28, 2013 at 12:34 pm | Report abuse |
      • ECassious2

        As an FYI, Texas does their share to drive economic growth in this country with half the taxes and regulations. They even wait in the wings to provide bailout money to California, New York and other states with liberal policies in place.

        January 28, 2013 at 2:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • ricardo1968

      The thing that conservatives and libertarians don't understand is that these subsidies and 'handouts' are actually cost effective. You have to deal with the poor around you one way or the other. If you don't subsidize their rent then you have to shelter them at increased cost. If you don't shelter them then you have to jail them, again at increased cost. If you don't want to jail them then to stay safe you have to murder them, again at increased cost. There is no way out. You either spend a little or a lot.

      January 28, 2013 at 12:09 pm | Report abuse |
      • Paul

        If you own the privatized and corporatized jails that is where you want them.

        January 28, 2013 at 12:20 pm | Report abuse |
      • ECassious2

        Conservatives understand that the way to lower these costs is to create more productive people from the outset. It's called economic liberty. Government likes to create problems so that they have something they can say needs to be fixed and then rush to the rescue...ie housing crisis. No Mr. Clinton, not everyone should own a home in this country.

        January 28, 2013 at 2:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ben Jordan

      If you dont read the article before you post, then you risk looking like a fool. It IS CITY money that pays for it. Not federal. ALSO, it is cheaper to pay for their housing than for them to be homeless. The article says all of this. Only New Yorkers are paying for this. Also, NY gives more money to the federal government than it takes back. So, if you're in a red state, then you are more likely to b subsidized by NY than the other way around.

      January 28, 2013 at 12:42 pm | Report abuse |
  70. Phil Wong

    Yes I feel this issue right here in Elmhurst, Queens. I see a family living in a station wagon and they parked in a Walgreens parking lot every night. When questioned by passerbys they just drove away and come back later. This is very sad because I see a teenage girl sleeping inside the car and her schoolbag is next to her. Not sure whether they don't want to get help or just don't qualify for help.

    January 28, 2013 at 11:30 am | Report abuse |
    • JohnH

      Have you offered to help them?

      January 28, 2013 at 11:36 am | Report abuse |
    • Eriberto Aguilar

      Or, as the article suggests, there's no longer much or any help available to them.

      January 28, 2013 at 12:00 pm | Report abuse |
  71. lance

    Sounds like the old Washington DC Shuffle-they take the money out of the pockets of the state, the state takes it out of the pockets of the City, and the City takes it out of the pockets of the tax payer. The government then runs for re-election, telling the tax payer how much money they have saved them by cutting the state programs.

    January 28, 2013 at 11:26 am | Report abuse |
    • Gary

      A great description. How can anyone think that a federal program is going to work better than a locally paid for and locally administered program? Why has New York not levied local taxes on the businesses that benefit from low cost labor to deal with this issue? This low-cost labor pool of people (who are the homeless we are talking about here) is benefitting New York businesses by keeping their labor costs artificially low, it also enhances the value of more expensive rel estate by making a low cost labor pool available to provide the services the wealthier people want. So a real-estate tax would be in order here as well. Too many taxes? perhaps, but this issue needs to be addressed and paid for by by New Yorkers. The rest of us have our own problems to deal with.

      January 28, 2013 at 11:47 am | Report abuse |
  72. Superstorm

    This article seems inaccurate to me. I recently read about families in New York displaced by Superstorm Sandy. Thousands of families in New York are now homeless after Sandy. Could not that account for the spike in homelessness? This article seems to be another attempt to blame the GOP. Our country will never progress if we keep blaming "conservatives" and "liberals" for all our problems. The power of the governement stems from the people. Stop blaming the government for our own faults. Become educated in the ways of the government, and you will realize, for example, that this article is an attempt to blame a party for something out of their control.

    January 28, 2013 at 11:26 am | Report abuse |
    • skastenbaumcnn

      @Superstorm – Steve Kastenbaum here, the reporter who put this story together. The figures sited in this report were compiled pre-Sandy. Statistics that account for people made homeless by the storm are incomplete at the moment. But they surely have pushed the number of homeless people residing in city shelters even higher. Thanks for listening to the piece. I appreciate it.

      January 28, 2013 at 11:28 am | Report abuse |
      • Superstorm

        Thanks for the clarification.

        January 28, 2013 at 11:30 am | Report abuse |
        • skastenbaumcnn

          My pleasure. And I meant cited, not sited. Woops.

          January 28, 2013 at 11:36 am | Report abuse |
  73. Pat

    Not my fault dude had three kids.

    January 28, 2013 at 11:25 am | Report abuse |
    • newshound

      What do they mean, "what used to be called entitlements"? They are STILL entitlements!

      January 28, 2013 at 11:34 am | Report abuse |
  74. KLewis

    So the City should take over the voucher program and help 3 families in a home instead of 1 in shelters. Oh thats right they dont want to do that either. They want national funds to assist.

    January 28, 2013 at 11:21 am | Report abuse |
  75. Dawn

    Another Obama success story.

    January 28, 2013 at 11:19 am | Report abuse |
    • julia

      obama has nothing to do with it

      try again

      January 28, 2013 at 11:21 am | Report abuse |
      • billy

        he has everything to do with it, hes the head of the government right now, being black doesnt exclude him

        January 28, 2013 at 11:27 am | Report abuse |
        • julia

          you're dumb

          he is not the head of new york or new york city
          and last time i checked bloomberg rules new york city and he is a repube (actually Independent now)

          January 28, 2013 at 11:34 am | Report abuse |
        • Eriberto Aguilar

          Obama doesn't run NYC. Unless it's the loss of federal funds that accounts for the reduction in support for the poor, Obama has nothing to do with it.

          January 28, 2013 at 12:02 pm | Report abuse |
      • Candy

        That's right. You can't blame one person. Blame the liberal party that runs New York nowadays.

        January 28, 2013 at 11:27 am | Report abuse |
        • Person

          Bloomberg is not a liberal. Rant on.

          January 28, 2013 at 12:02 pm | Report abuse |
        • JohnH

          Bloomberg is not a liberal!?! Just because he acts, votes and rules like a liberal...

          January 28, 2013 at 12:36 pm | Report abuse |
        • Kitty

          How having those with a gaggle of kids take responsibility for their own actions? Mant of them are too lazy to work even if you GAVE them a job!!!! Too many people want handouts nowadays from those of us who WORK!!!! If you're able to make a kid, you're able to GET A JOB!!!! If you can't get a job, at least keep your legs together and don't reproduce!!!!

          January 28, 2013 at 2:48 pm | Report abuse |
      • gretchen

        Excuse me! Why doesn't "BO" have anyting to do with these realities in our nation? He made sweeping promises of every kind, promised the moon, and accepted waves of praise calling him "the One" and the messiah- and HE NEVER WORKED HARD IN ANY WAY AT ANY TIME TO ADDRESS THE JOB NEEDS IN THIS NATION. NEVER. This ongoing BO craze has all been smoke and mirrors, nothing but a constant effort to portray anyone who disagrees with him or his wife as some kind of demo -bigot-cretin! There is so much that others have accomplished, so much done by those before the "age of Obama" that has been trampled underfoot by this Obama worship garbage which is forced on us all every day! BO's shameful deceptions and extremely shortsighted, poorly thought-out policies are destroying much that is left of the US! He was ridiculously unfit and unqualified to be on the presidential ballot, and he will never become qualified- he remains narcissistic and a total hypocrite. Get one thing straight- he never meant to do anything as promised- his only goal, day after day, is to deceive America into thinking he has some special regard for others, WHICH HE DOES NOT=- he is known to be on the golf course constantly, and the family vacations "run into each other" as one reporter put it. He has just one goal- keep everybody fooled, and paint any opposed to him as evil. If you ever get that, you will finally "ge"t BO.

        January 28, 2013 at 11:37 am | Report abuse |
        • Doug Hackett

          still angry? :)

          January 28, 2013 at 11:51 am | Report abuse |
        • whatistime

          @ gretch...so much propaganda. Do you remember how many vacations Bush Jr. took during his tyrannical reign? Don't be a hypocrite. Also, when you work do you take vacations? Do you think President Obama should be glued to his chair in the oval office 24/7? What about your republican congress that had to go on vacation before they could vote on the fiscal cliff, so that we wouldn't have to pay the awful taxes we're paying now? Let's talk about your republican leaders. Just about as useless as ants near an aphid farm.

          January 28, 2013 at 11:56 am | Report abuse |
        • Eriberto Aguilar

          If NYC asks for federal aid to address the problem, then we can look at what the president does. But for the time being it's a local problem.

          January 28, 2013 at 12:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • whatistime

      Uh, yeah. Why do you republicans jump on Obama if a fly farts in your face? Seriously, get a life and by the way, it's your republican congress that is tearing this country apart and failing all of us financially...have you heard of the fiscal cliff??

      January 28, 2013 at 11:28 am | Report abuse |
      • Candy

        Let's get something straight. I am quite independent. I may lean right, but I voted for President Obama. As a person, I believe Obama is great. I just disagree with New York policies. Also, the fiscal cliff? Do you know ANYTHING about that? Get your facts right and THEN try to blame conservatives. Both parties are very much at fault there.

        January 28, 2013 at 11:39 am | Report abuse |
        • whatistime

          @Candy, you don't seem to know what you stand for. If you read the original comment, it was an attack toward President Obama...you're the one that brought in NYC politics. Do you even live there? Have you been there? Don't tell me to get the facts on the fiscal cliff right. You try it yourself. EVERYTHING is blocked by a republican congress. Period.

          January 28, 2013 at 11:51 am | Report abuse |
        • JohnH

          @ whatistime...try actually looking and see who is blocking what. It is all on the congressional web page. Harry Reid has tabled more votes than any congressman in history...including 13 jobs bills in 3 years.

          January 28, 2013 at 11:57 am | Report abuse |
      • whatistime

        @ johnh...emm...I looked on the website you mentioned and I found nothing to prove what you said about Reid. On top of that, it's in the news EVERYWHERE that the republican congress wants to do more harm to this country than good, besides the fact that it IS the republican congress that is making the everyday American citizen pay more taxes right now while they make sure that super rich Americans pay nothing. Great party john...are you rich? Are you living the American dream? Is the republican party working for your or are you working for them?

        January 28, 2013 at 12:08 pm | Report abuse |
        • JohnH

          Then you need to read the bills. The voting records etc for each bill is posted. But I understand if the truth scares you...it's okay...

          January 28, 2013 at 12:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • William

        So the president is not the problem, but the congress is? I didn't know the congress ran NYC.

        January 28, 2013 at 12:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • skastenbaumcnn

      @Dawn – How about staying on topic... the point is in New York and many other states there exists right to shelter laws. It's against the law to allow a family with children, for example, to not have some sort of shelter; a roof over their heads. In NYC, a rent subsidy program was used effectively to keep these families in homes. That program was cut for political and budgetary reasons. As a result, those families wound up losing their apartments and landed in the homeless shelter system. It's 3 times more expensive to house families in homeless shelters than it is to provide them with a rent subsidy for a rental on the private market. It's an example how a budget cut could have short term positive results but wind up costing tax payers more money in the long term. Thanks for listening to the report.

      January 28, 2013 at 11:33 am | Report abuse |
  76. bfpiercelk

    "It costs $36,000 a year to shelter a homeless family in New York City. In comparison, a rental voucher is $10,000 a year. So it’s more than three times more expensive to have that family in shelter than it is to give that family permanent housing"

    This is a pretty disingenous statement. Is there a reason it costs $36000 to shelter someone? Is that because of food and other items you give at a shelter that you don't give with a voucher (that now becomes the responsibility of the family), are you counting welfare costs associated with families given the voucher? (of course not, that would make those numbers look bad)

    January 28, 2013 at 11:18 am | Report abuse |
    • skastenbaumcnn

      @bfpiercelk Good questions. People can be welfare recipients and still wind up in homeless shelters. Welfare and rent subsidies are two separate issues. There are a number of reasons why it costs so much more to house a family in the NYC shelter system... there's the cost of bureaucratic system, the high costs of putting people up temporarily in hotels while they wait for beds to open in a shelter, there is the staff required by local law to be on duty at the shelters, there are the costs of the contracts the city signs with private operators of homeless shelters... When you add up all of the bills the direct cost of placing a family in a shelter is much higher than the rent subsidy that might have been provided. Then there are the associated increased costs like the increased number of hospital visits that are often associated with shelter stays, the cost of moving children around from one school to another, etc., accord to the Coalition for the Homeless.

      January 28, 2013 at 11:41 am | Report abuse |
      • William

        Great answer. So the overhead cost are driving up the cost. Reduce overhead. Medical cost rise when people are in shelters. Provide free healthcare for all low income families. The cost of transporting the children drives up cost. I'm not from NYC, but I thought most kids took public transportation to school. So the cost would be simiular if they were not homeless.
        Note: I believe that we should help everyone that helps themselves. Religious and othe NGO's should bear the brunt of this issue. Governments can not operate like a business and live on limited resources. It plays the blame game to get more resources to handout to thier buddies. How do you fix the problem – revoke all tax free status for any organization that does not spend 75% of the funds towards helping the poor. This will either increase funding for the city, or decrease the need for governmental support.

        January 28, 2013 at 12:45 pm | Report abuse |
  77. brown

    This make me sick! We've got trillions of dollars to keep the war machine going but when it comes to taking
    care of our own people, we deserve an "F"

    Fed up with our zero talent Congress!

    January 28, 2013 at 11:17 am | Report abuse |
    • Pat

      Obama can bring the troops home whenever he likes, he doesn't need congress. That's why he's called the Commander and Chief.

      January 28, 2013 at 11:24 am | Report abuse |
    • JohnH

      Maybe some of these homeless should join the army...just sayin'

      January 28, 2013 at 11:27 am | Report abuse |
      • Pat

        That would require they actually work...ain't nobody got time for that!

        January 28, 2013 at 11:28 am | Report abuse |
      • MysteriaKiito

        That would be a great solution if the army wasn't so picky. They will deny you if you have so much as a misdemeanor on your record. My husband lost a good paying job a few years ago and we got so desperate at one point he tried to join the army. They wouldn't take him because he'd had a few misdemeanors in the past for possession(he's no longer doing that, trust me, he knows I'll leave him if he does!). I'd join but they would probably turn me away because of my severe depression, anxiety, etc. It's not always laziness that's an issue with people that need help. Sometimes it's the job market being cruddy or not being qualified enough for the work that is available.

        January 28, 2013 at 12:05 pm | Report abuse |
        • MrID

          Got so desperate you tried to join the military? Wow, thanks lady but no thanks. I'm down sizing high speed Soldiers right now that want to be here as their first choice. I don't need strap hangers like you clogging up sick call and ducking deployments. Stay civilian, please.

          January 28, 2013 at 12:30 pm | Report abuse |
        • MysteriaKiito

          We have children. Being away from them on deployment wouldn't be our first choice. Neither is putting ourselves in danger because we do have them to worry about. You cannot sit there and say that being a soldier is easy or safe.

          January 28, 2013 at 12:44 pm | Report abuse |
  78. Pat

    We have a homeless problem in New York? From watching Bloomberg and the news lately I thought guns were the number one problem. Weird...Guess there is only one thing to do to make homelessness go down, ban the homeless!

    January 28, 2013 at 11:16 am | Report abuse |
  79. Big Man

    King Bloomberg can handle this problem....same as in the past by paying homeless folks to leave NYC.

    January 28, 2013 at 11:16 am | Report abuse |
    • James

      In reality, leaving a city with a very high cost of living makes sense. Homeless people have the right to work also. Let's make them exhaust that right.

      January 28, 2013 at 11:36 am | Report abuse |
  80. lewisa

    So instead of taxing the super rich in new york, they decide to increase the number of homeless

    is anyone even surprised?

    January 28, 2013 at 11:12 am | Report abuse |
    • vin

      So take more money from the Rich..that's your answer? How about everyone takes care of themselves?

      January 28, 2013 at 11:31 am | Report abuse |
  81. DickPerry

    LMAO!!! What a shiite hole US is..

    January 28, 2013 at 11:12 am | Report abuse |
    • jake

      agreed

      there are third world countries that take better care of their citizens

      January 28, 2013 at 11:13 am | Report abuse |
      • JohnH

        Example?

        January 28, 2013 at 11:27 am | Report abuse |
    • F-in Brit

      I'm sure your country is SO much better, eh?

      January 28, 2013 at 11:17 am | Report abuse |
      • DickPerry

        Yes, it is in all kinds of ways. :-)

        January 28, 2013 at 11:19 am | Report abuse |
        • JohnH

          Let me guess...Canada?

          January 28, 2013 at 11:28 am | Report abuse |
  82. Your Friends from the West Coast

    Ah – I see our NYC Bus Ticket Winners are finally making their way to your fine city!

    Winners receive a one-way Express Ticket to the Exciting and Beautiful city of New York where they will be taken on a whirlwind tour of NYC soup kitchens, dark alleyways, and the Port Authority! WOO HOO!

    Please give them as rousing a welcome as their send-off was joyous here in Sunny California.

    January 28, 2013 at 11:10 am | Report abuse |
  83. Mommamia

    When I was attending NYU(many, many moons ago), a professor said, "the solution to one problem always causes another." No one political party has the answer to all our social problems. Homeless people will always be with us, just like drugs, prostitution and abortions. My professor stated that instead of trying to "solve" these problems, society should focus on managing them.

    January 28, 2013 at 11:09 am | Report abuse |
    • Lisa k.

      I wish more people thought that way. Smart way of putting it.

      January 28, 2013 at 11:19 am | Report abuse |
    • skastenbaumcnn

      @Mommamia Profess Fuchs from Columbia University, who I interviewed for this piece, might agree.

      January 28, 2013 at 11:43 am | Report abuse |
    • bks

      very good! a level headed person. manage things.. its always someone else's fault people cry on here.
      i can't join the army b/c i had a few misdeameanors? huh??
      then manage your life..

      i live in rural/small town and i would love to live in a big city, but guess what. with our salaries we are comfortable, god willing. its called managing your life.

      i would like a lot of things, but at the moment saving for retirements should it ever come.

      January 28, 2013 at 12:26 pm | Report abuse |
  84. GT66

    The problems with the "solutions" are 1) Everything is viewed in binary, either off or on and 2) these solutions are developed in a vacuum as if "housing" was the singular issue. If you want to put people in "housing" and not force the tax payers to foot the bill then one must ensure that jobs pay enough for people to afford the basics. If you don't want to do that, then don't bother with the rest.

    January 28, 2013 at 11:07 am | Report abuse |
  85. popcorn

    Need to remove waste of time and waste of spending government. They are not doing anything to improve the city but themselves.

    Government does Talk... talk.. talk... trying to save themselves from sinking ship and job.

    January 28, 2013 at 11:06 am | Report abuse |
  86. ztom

    “It costs $36,000 a year to shelter a homeless family in New York City. In comparison, a rental voucher is $10,000 a year. So it’s more than three times more expensive to have that family in shelter than it is to give that family permanent housing,”

    But what is missing is that if you stop giving out rental vouchers, the landlord can bring in charge more money for the apartments. So basically New Yorkers' money is now going to pay for the shelter costs and help the landlord make more money.

    January 28, 2013 at 11:04 am | Report abuse |
    • JohnH

      The simple solution is found in the legal industry. To keep your license to practice law, you must perform a certain amount of pro-bono work. ANY profession that is protected by professional licensure should have the same requirements. That is plumbers, electricians, lawyers, doctors, dentists and any profession that has exclusivity to government contracts...like unions. Then, you will see these problems diminish.

      January 28, 2013 at 11:09 am | Report abuse |
  87. rumorasit

    Less government huh?

    January 28, 2013 at 11:03 am | Report abuse |
    • John

      I dont know if the government cut my check I wouldnt be homeless- ohh thats right, Im not getting a government check, Im going to homeless bc they keep taking more and more in taxes

      January 28, 2013 at 11:15 am | Report abuse |
      • John

        less government means people are forced to take care of themselves instead of sitting around living off of handouts- isnt being responsible for yourself the whole idea of being an adult? starting a family? or am i just old school

        January 28, 2013 at 11:16 am | Report abuse |
  88. mike

    Most of these comments show why America is in so much trouble, a genuine lack of compassion. Most of these comments are mean spirited and vindictive, why would you hate your fellow man?

    January 28, 2013 at 10:56 am | Report abuse |
    • JohnH

      It has nothing to do with the homeless. Poor political decisions and unsustainable government assistance has grown a populace that has no desire to improve themselves. Offer 80% of these adults a job and they will turn it down.

      January 28, 2013 at 11:02 am | Report abuse |
      • Paul

        96% of all statistics are made up on the spot. There is no way you offer 80% of any group a job and have them turn it down. Sorry but you are flat wrong.

        January 28, 2013 at 11:12 am | Report abuse |
      • PrincePoliBlog

        @smako, you obviously haven't read any of the actual statistics on poverty, homelessness, and "welfare". Don't pull numbers out of your *HAT* based upon some falsehood. Do some research. http://research.upjohn.org/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1054&context=empl_research&sei-redir=1&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Furl%3Fsa%3Dt%26rct%3Dj%26q%3Dhow%2520many%2520welfare%2520recipiants%2520would%2520accept%2520a%2520job%26source%3Dweb%26cd%3D2%26ved%3D0CDsQFjAB%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fresearch.upjohn.org%252Fcgi%252Fviewcontent.cgi%253Farticle%253D1054%2526context%253Dempl_research%26ei%3DcaMGUdPCCqyx0QHQ5oH4Bw%26usg%3DAFQjCNHKezyUxFLOb0iIV79q-za1Obmo5w%26bvm%3Dbv.41524429%2Cd.dmQ#search=%22how%20many%20welfare%20recipiants%20would%20accept%20job%22

        January 28, 2013 at 11:14 am | Report abuse |
      • binismom2001

        Where's the data to back up that claim? Ah. Yeah. There isn't any, so you didn't provide it. See, THIS is what's wrong. These claims that people are just living off the government in cities like NY are outrageous. I would bet a pretty penny that the above poster is not now, nor has ever been, from NYC. If you'd like to educate yourself, you might try looking up comparative costs between small Midwestern towns and a major city. You may be surprised at how mush it costs to move in NY. Many landlords require 1st and last month's rent and a security deposit on a 2700.00 per month 2br apartment. Yeah. You do the math on that and tell me where the grocery store clerk is supposed to come up with that? OH!!! Yeah. they are supposed to just "move", right? TO WHERE? Away from their family and support network? How much will THAT cost the family? ( Hint: They don't have THAT money either. ) That turns out wonderfully in the end for so many folks, right? THINK about this stuff, people. It's time for our society to actually start taking responsibility for ALL of the people who live here, not just the ones who had all the breaks.

        January 28, 2013 at 11:21 am | Report abuse |
    • Dave

      Homelessness aside, I'm really getting sick and tired of seeing individuals at the grocery stores with their shopping carts packed to the gills paying with EBT (food stamps). All the while, they're decked out in $100+ dollar sneakers, Gucci or Louis Vuitton bags and name brand clothing.
      I know this isn't the case for all, but it's rather obvious they have no need for assistance.

      If the working folks have to pass drug tests and be drug free to keep our jobs,then the folks living off our dime should have to pass random drug tests to keep getting FREE handouts!

      The politicos can continue to turn a blind eye to the real problem at hand here but it will not go away and as a matter of fact continues to get worse.

      January 28, 2013 at 11:11 am | Report abuse |
      • Paul

        You don't have to pass a drug test to get a job. You consent to the violation of your rights to get the job you chose. You didn't have to do it, it was a choice. There are plenty of jobs that don't test for drugs.

        January 28, 2013 at 11:14 am | Report abuse |
        • Dave0ne

          Example? Minimum wage maybe?

          January 28, 2013 at 11:46 am | Report abuse |
        • Dave

          Everyone I know that works for companies listed in the Fortune 1k and Global 500 was tested for drugs when jobs were extended to them. If you fail the test, you don't get the job.

          Maybe minimum to median wage jobs that's not the case, but I can't speak to that. Just speaking what I went through and what I know others went through who work in Corporate America.
          May not be the case for mom and pop shops or minimum wage jobs.

          January 28, 2013 at 11:57 am | Report abuse |
      • TiredOfPaying

        When Florida did testing they found that those getting unemployment were using drugs at HALF the national rate. there were so few doing drugs that they estimated it cost $115,000 per cheat to find them. The program was discontinued because it WASTED tax dollars, not saved them. Nice try, too bad Reality is completely different than your illusion.

        January 28, 2013 at 2:23 pm | Report abuse |
  89. JohnH

    How about letting New York solve their problems instead of shipping them to more fiscally responsible areas.

    January 28, 2013 at 10:55 am | Report abuse |
    • Paul

      If all the tax dollars generated in New York stayed in New York than they could. Unfortunately a lot of the tax dollars generated in New York go to this thing called the Federal government, which helps build interstate highways and other infrastructure so that you can enjoy living in your "fiscally responsible area" (whatever that means) even though such areas will never generate enough tax base to support such infrastructure by itself.

      January 28, 2013 at 11:07 am | Report abuse |
      • JohnH

        That is the decision of the local governments. Raise taxes if you think that will help. Of course, it won't, it will just create a bigger problem in the future.

        January 28, 2013 at 11:12 am | Report abuse |
        • Paul

          No it isn't the decision of local governments, as I said, it is the Federal Government. Which every state pays taxes to, and New York pays more federal taxes than almost every other state combined, except California. I am just pointing out to you that the State of New York probably has paid more to building the infrastructure that makes this country what it is than where you live on the order of an exponent of at least the 10th power. If the state of New York were to secede from the Union, it would be able to stand easily on its own, while your so called "fiscally responsible areas" would be devastated by the lack of federal funding provided by the tax revenue from the state.

          January 28, 2013 at 11:18 am | Report abuse |
        • JohnH

          So, what you are saying is 1) you have never filed a tax return (big surprise) and 2) you have no idea how the tax infrastructure works...let me guess, you are a progressive liberal.

          January 28, 2013 at 11:31 am | Report abuse |
        • Al WHite

          no, it isnt a fucntion of the local government, or local taxes; the feds take 3x from new york city than is spent on it, so for every 3$ of taxes, NYC gets 1$ of benefit - that money goes to build infrastructure, provide grants, and basically make all the places that are unproductive livable – most of them populated by the very people disdaining aid.

          Okay, we kill welfare – which includes letting states and localities pay for their own infrastructure. Then we can hear all the self made succesfull independent souls claim "I built this"

          No you didnt.

          January 28, 2013 at 11:33 am | Report abuse |
        • JohnH

          Actually AlWhite, New York gets $158 billion back out of the $245 billion they generate. Being that the federal government is spending at a rate 2X their revenue, New York is one of the best aligned states.

          January 28, 2013 at 11:42 am | Report abuse |
    • mikel74

      No that's alright, we don't need any more homeless people here in Florida either.

      January 28, 2013 at 11:11 am | Report abuse |
  90. Badly-Bent

    I would really like to see the results of a popular vote before congress hands out an amnesty!

    January 28, 2013 at 10:54 am | Report abuse |
  91. Lagos

    How about providing vouchers to people for moving expenses to an area where they CAN find a job where it DOESN'T cost an arm and a leg for housing?

    January 28, 2013 at 10:53 am | Report abuse |
    • troulbe4

      Although politically incorrect to say, other communities do not want to be flooded with homeless people either.

      January 28, 2013 at 11:21 am | Report abuse |
  92. Bob

    Buy a giant warehouse. Convert it into a homeless shelter. There's no way it would cost $36k/yr to shelter a homeless family in there. You could fit tons of homeless people in one of those for a reasonable price.

    January 28, 2013 at 10:52 am | Report abuse |
    • popcorn

      GOP is most likely get blame for this when it come TAXES. you have senior citizens who can't afford everything and not even food. they drove milk price higher and everything soo high.

      completely ridiculous. even wall street isn't shooting up high anymore. Get rid off idiots who run politics with lack of knowledge.

      January 28, 2013 at 11:03 am | Report abuse |
    • FreedomFighter

      Yep...and build a large fence with armed guards and attack dogs around it.

      January 28, 2013 at 11:05 am | Report abuse |
  93. popcorn

    There are no jobs. Americans are getting extremely dumb with higher education. They don't know how to use it but need help from overseas education level.

    January 28, 2013 at 10:51 am | Report abuse |
    • JohnH

      That's odd...My University is has 85 foreign nationals for every America citizen....

      January 28, 2013 at 11:45 am | Report abuse |
  94. DARNELL

    People need to go to Mexico, then come across the border back to America illegally! Move to Texas you'll get all kinds of free stuff as long as you can speak Spanish!

    January 28, 2013 at 10:51 am | Report abuse |
  95. Badly-Bent

    Let's create more homeless by encouraging more illegal immigrants to come here because, as we all know, eventually we'll just Amnesty them again. Funny how we cut entitlements for American citizens yet we don't cut entitlements for american businesses as in the flooded labor pool of cheap illegal workers? Oh, I know, make them legal and the problem is solved. Really?

    January 28, 2013 at 10:47 am | Report abuse |
  96. Skarphace

    This is the America that Republicans want: an America where the wealthy pay less than have the rate of taxes than the middle class and 'the takers' starve on the streets. Republicans warn of an uprising if we take away their guns, and yet their policies are going to cause an uprising because people will not suffer for long before doing something about it.

    January 28, 2013 at 10:44 am | Report abuse |
    • JohnH

      Eventually, liberals run out of other people's money. I find it odd that you liberals STILL blame conservatives for the economic problems in a largely liberal state. THIS IS WHAT LIBERALISM LOOKS LIKE. Eventually, when the rich have moved to a nation that wants to work, all of those left behind starve. Get used to it. liberalism has failed in every single attempt at its implementation.

      Liberalism – The political notion that everyone in a nation shall bee equally poor.

      January 28, 2013 at 10:51 am | Report abuse |
      • john/kc

        And what country are all you millionaires going to move to? Be sure to take that one trillion dollar army we can't afford with you.

        January 28, 2013 at 11:04 am | Report abuse |
      • another1

        Conservatives – I got mine, everyone else can rot in the gutter.

        January 28, 2013 at 11:05 am | Report abuse |
        • troulbe4

          That's because we had to work to pull ourselves out of the gutter and have little sympathy for people who want to spend their lives on government assistance with the woe is me mentality.

          January 28, 2013 at 11:24 am | Report abuse |
        • JohnH

          Conservatives donate more to charity than any other political camp...almost 3 times as much.

          January 28, 2013 at 11:32 am | Report abuse |
        • Amy

          Anotherone: No, it's I Earned mine now earn yours and don't demand others give to you from cradle to grave.

          January 28, 2013 at 2:16 pm | Report abuse |
      • Frank

        John H. Bloomberg is NOT a liberal. What planet are you on? Bloomberg is one of the most wealthy republicans in the world. Actually – Guiliana – a prior mayor was a republican also – guess that explains why the problem is so dire. just the the mess the GOP put the country in that we are trying to dig out of. and its the poor liberals doing all the digging. Literally.

        January 28, 2013 at 11:06 am | Report abuse |
        • JohnH

          Just because he calls himself a republican doesn't make him one.

          January 28, 2013 at 11:15 am | Report abuse |
      • Agent Smith

        I second this. And also, lets keep hiking minimum wage in San Jose so we can employ less workers or put more stress on small business owners. Odd how the larger corporations aren't as negatively impacted by minimum wage hikes.

        Good luck with building a homeless shelter. I'm sure its building code must be up to spec. Not cheap. Again, liberals dont ask that you treat everyone equal, they REQUIRE it. On the path to a Utopian socialist community.

        January 28, 2013 at 11:07 am | Report abuse |
    • el dono

      So, what's your solution?

      January 28, 2013 at 10:56 am | Report abuse |
      • Skarphace

        To house them instead of putting them into a shelter at three times the rate. Thus we could help people and save money at the same time.

        January 28, 2013 at 12:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rich

      Just remember that NY State and NYC are run by Democrats. Both US Senators (Gilabrand, Schumer) the Governor (Cuomo) and almost the whole city council are democrats. The mayor is an independent ( Bloomberg). NY is the highest taxed state in the union and still it does not have enough money. This has been going on for decades, remember the city going bankrupt under Abe Beame (Democrat)? Almost all of the large cities are run by democrats and almost all are broke, look at Detroit. The democrats and the unions have left the city without a penny.

      January 28, 2013 at 2:27 pm | Report abuse |
  97. Dave

    Well, you guys voted for the almighty Barack GO ASK HIM FOR HELP.

    January 28, 2013 at 10:44 am | Report abuse |
    • Skarphace

      So Obama is to blame for New York's decision to cut the funding for the social safety net?

      With you guys, it it always "blame Obama for everything and give him credit for nothing."

      January 28, 2013 at 10:47 am | Report abuse |
      • DARNELL

        Isn't Obama about to legalize millions of illegal aliens? Won't this just further hurt Americans???

        January 28, 2013 at 10:49 am | Report abuse |
        • Badly-Bent

          You see the future too?

          January 28, 2013 at 10:51 am | Report abuse |
        • CitizenB

          The Republicans have come out with the first immagration reform package and it contains a path to citizenship. Why is it everything you Republicans disagree with is always a Liberal or Democrat law. Do your homework and you might blame you own party once in a whiel. Is everything the Dems do right? Of course not, but the Republicans aren't perfect either. Instead of complaining about Repub or Dem, we need to band together and get our elected representatives to start thinking about the American people and not the next election. This constant fighting over ideology is getting us no where.

          January 28, 2013 at 11:04 am | Report abuse |
        • ztom

          What would Reagan have done?

          Oh yeah. Amnesty. Blanket amnesty with no strings attached.

          January 28, 2013 at 11:08 am | Report abuse |
      • JohnH

        I don't blame obama, I blame all liberals. This is what liberaism looks like when all taxpayers move out of the country.

        January 28, 2013 at 10:52 am | Report abuse |
        • john/kc

          Go ahead and move. We are all waiting. Either put up or you know what!

          January 28, 2013 at 11:06 am | Report abuse |
        • JohnH

          I live in a moderate tax area...with low unemployment and low homelessness. NOTICE: I do no live in NewYork.

          January 28, 2013 at 11:16 am | Report abuse |
      • Fred

        Yes, Obama is to blame for the poor economy which is causing all the homeless in the first place. He considers those who create jobs the root of all evil and should be taxed to oblivion. Look at Chicago Ill.

        January 28, 2013 at 10:54 am | Report abuse |
        • A

          THOSE who create jobs???Where? In India?

          January 28, 2013 at 10:59 am | Report abuse |
      • JohnH

        "Social safety net?"

        January 28, 2013 at 10:59 am | Report abuse |
    • ken

      His hands are still tied by the Republican do-nothing House of Reps dude.

      January 28, 2013 at 10:51 am | Report abuse |
      • JohnH

        Blame republicans – the notion that even though Democrats have controlled the US government for 6 years, it is somehow the minority's fault.

        January 28, 2013 at 10:57 am | Report abuse |
        • ken

          If things can't get through the House, then nothing gets done..........................hence the do-nothing Republican controlled House of Reps.

          January 28, 2013 at 11:02 am | Report abuse |
        • JohnH

          And if nothing gets through the senate...blah blah blah...Harry blocks more crap than any politician in history

          January 28, 2013 at 11:17 am | Report abuse |
      • Dave0ne

        Really? Harry Reid's desk is about to collapse from the sheer weight of legislation already passed by the House that he is sitting on because it would be politically inconvenient for Senate dems. If your looking for the blockage, it's last name is Reid.

        January 28, 2013 at 11:53 am | Report abuse |
  98. DARNELL

    Obama wants to legalize millions of foreign aliens in this country even though he cannot even take care of American citizens as it is... our government is absolutely insane. This will only get worse.

    January 28, 2013 at 10:38 am | Report abuse |
    • D

      Millions of foreign aliens that actually want to WORK, vs the lazy Americans who don't and just want to sit around and collect welfare and unemployment.

      January 28, 2013 at 10:50 am | Report abuse |
      • JohnH

        It doesn't take many government hand-out for hardworking illegal aliens to become lazy American democrats.

        January 28, 2013 at 10:54 am | Report abuse |
    • ken

      Our ancestors were all "foreign aliens" at some point dude, so get over it.

      January 28, 2013 at 10:53 am | Report abuse |
      • JohnH

        Not mine...

        January 28, 2013 at 10:57 am | Report abuse |
        • ken

          What tribe are you with?

          January 28, 2013 at 11:00 am | Report abuse |
        • JohnH

          Cherokee and Black Foot.

          January 28, 2013 at 11:33 am | Report abuse |
  99. smako

    If you are going to be homeless, DO NOT GO to New York. New York gets snow, go to Los Angeles or another major California city. It doesn't snow, shelters abound and if you can recite a little scripture the churches will set you up in a house and give you food and job assistance as long as you can keep reciting scripture and at least LOOK like you are trying. You can go to college on the cheap, with a little extra public assistance FREE and you will have to use a stick to beat away the people wanting to kiss your butt as long as you can act like you are trying. Look up Ted Hayes if you need any more information.

    January 28, 2013 at 10:35 am | Report abuse |
    • lkk

      public asst is not free in LA. it's called General Relief, and IF you ever get a job, you have to pay it back. Shelters are NOT plentiful, and it's much easier to live in NY...Free health, food, phone, shelter..why leave NY ?? Where would my tax money go?? I've worked 47 years, and social security doesn't pay enough for me to retire...can't wait to leave this state

      January 28, 2013 at 11:41 am | Report abuse |
  100. rad666

    Better to send money to foreign countries than to help Americans.

    January 28, 2013 at 10:33 am | Report abuse |
    • smako

      Either way, you are wizzing away your money into a grand immense sponge that will soak it up and give nothing back.

      January 28, 2013 at 10:37 am | Report abuse |
    • arg

      .. or to bloated bureaucrat salaries.

      January 28, 2013 at 11:57 am | Report abuse |
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