Letting death happen, is it suicide?
In a screen grab from a video uploaded to YouTube by Grace Sung Eun Lee's family, the 28 year old with brain cancer signs over medical proxy to her father reversing a decision to turn off life-supporting machines.
October 11th, 2012
11:52 AM ET

Letting death happen, is it suicide?

By Steve Kastenbaum, CNN

(CNN) – Grace Sung Eun Lee is going to die. The 28 year old former bank manager has advanced terminal brain cancer.

The once vibrant, athletic woman is now kept alive by machines which she wanted to turn off. However, her devoutly religious parents  convinced her that she was effectively committing suicide, and that she would be condemned to hell.

So she changed her mindArthur Caplan, director of medical ethics at the NYU Langone Medical Center said the story is the latest illustration of the sensitive debate over end of life care as it intersects with faith.

[2:30] “Of course you have to wonder if you are being kept alive by machines where’s God’s hand in that and that doesn’t get a great answer in my view theologically. But once started, I don’t think stopping a machine is necessarily suicide even if you know it’s going to lead to your death because the fact is for terminally ill people, they’re going to die.”

Dr. Dan Sulmasy from the University of Chicago spent 28 years of his life as a Franciscan Friar. He says,

[6:06] “There’s no actual philosophical or theological definition of suicide in the scriptures. Let me say that for mainstream Christian religions, they all draw a distinction between killing and allowing to die.”

Grace Lee’s father is a minister at an Evangelical Korean-American church in Queens, NY. He thinks a miracle has already taken place.

[7:27] “I believe this woman will do her best when she gets better and she will continue God’s work. She’s getting better every single day.”

Doctors say moving her to a nursing home and keeping the machines on is only prolonging her death.

Editor's Note: Listen to the complete interview above and join the conversation below.

soundoff (362 Responses)
  1. alumette

    I think it means not kill another person or animal. That is my view. What you do with your final moments is really your business.

    October 17, 2012 at 7:50 pm | Report abuse |
  2. Jen

    I'm a Buddhist, and partly because of that I believe there are three acceptable reasons to commit suicide. Ms. Lee would fall under #1, dying of a terminal disease or similar and not wanting to put herself/her family through any more suffering. That she's choosing to stay is admirable but not surprising; I think what she wanted was to get some control back, and now she has that. I hope she has as gentle an exit as possible. Incidentally, I have lost a grandfather and a good friend to extremely violent suicides, so I know of what I speak.

    October 16, 2012 at 12:38 pm | Report abuse |
  3. mzh

    My father had first strock on 1995 and he lost some of his memories, he couldn't recognize all of us, then he had second time strock on 1997, while he was in the hospital, one day early in the morning the doc declared that he is dead, then we were waiting to do the paper work to get the dead body out of the hospital, around 6am in the morning, my aunt says the get the hoses out from his nose as he was being fed by hose thru noses... but my sister told NO, let it be, then after about an hour, doc found his pulse and then he lived for 2 years by being paralised of his right side...

    What my point is... no one can increase a fraction of second to the life time is given to any human and on the other hand no one can take a fraction of a second away from any human.... some of the information are given to mankind and most of the info is not....

    I hope this sister in mankind get well soon as per her lifetime which only The Almighty knows and lives her this earthly life as a healthy person...


    October 15, 2012 at 4:12 pm | Report abuse |
  4. thoughts

    I saw this happen once and I am still recovering.
    i think worst part is not preparing the family for what is happening – hospice needs to be for families too.
    i think people should be more informed of what to do in hospice type way when dealing with these issues with their loved ones – otherwise the overwhelming stress and sadness of the situation can become the reality instead of the hoped for peaceful death – if what is going on is not communicated well with family members who have their own intense emotions to deal with as well as the loss of the family member – especially after watched loved ones suffering and dying for years before final decisions are made. Too much stress in these situations to not handle with more professional support for the entire family – from my perspective.

    October 13, 2012 at 10:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • Alvalyn

      I agree totally with what you have said. We lost our mother to breast cancer in Feb 1999 and up to the day that she passed away no one was prepared. I agree with you that along with the person getting that end of life care the family should get the counseling that they need in order to move forward with there lives. Sometimes I think back to the decisions we made for my mother and think that we should have done what she wanted....we did what we wanted but was that the right decision.

      October 16, 2012 at 12:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • alumette

      I fail to see the big deal here. We are born and we die, with extra time in between. What we do with it is a personal issue. Both conditions are totally natural and unavoidable.....so, how can some people be so self absorbed ?????? people are dying all over the place; right now in the middle of wars, famine, aggressions. Do they complain ? no.....they are happy if they survive but painfully mourn their loved ones. These people have dignity. Makes us look like spoiled and ignorant brats.We have too many choices...some people have none.

      October 17, 2012 at 7:57 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Haime52

    Sustaining life for a person who is dying by artificial means is probably not the "will of God". Life sustains life, artificial is just that, artificial. She is dying, no matter what is done to keep her alive and she is suffering all the while. That is not "God's will" as I see it.

    October 13, 2012 at 3:20 pm | Report abuse |

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    October 12, 2012 at 10:59 am | Report abuse |
  7. Lisa

    Reminds me of the Schaivo case in Florida except the illness was different and this patient is still cognizant – in both cases, the parents are being selfish and thinking only of themselves not wanting to accept loss.

    October 12, 2012 at 7:59 am | Report abuse |
    • alumette

      That was an interesting case. She was in a vegetative state but cared for by her parents who were content with having their daughter in any organic state. Her husband made the demand to let her go since her wanted to re-marry and evidently she was in the way. The state decided to pull her feeding tube which was keeping her alive. Essentially she was starved to death. Did she suffer ? likely not but who knows, really if she had any ability to feel pain. That is debatable. The moral of the story : do not put a feeding tube in long term debilitated patients who may never get better. It takes a court order to pull it out.

      October 17, 2012 at 8:03 pm | Report abuse |

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    October 12, 2012 at 7:33 am | Report abuse |
    • Caitlin

      what does that have to do with this article? Stop publicizing your presidential debate in a forum dedicated to this poor woman. THINK BEFORE YOU POST

      October 12, 2012 at 9:29 am | Report abuse |
    • Gnabergasher

      Republicans are Pro-Life yet also seem to lvoe the death penalty. Only God can judge they say, clearly they think they are God. Sad story, there is no god.

      October 16, 2012 at 12:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • alumette

      Guessing you do not vote, so....bug out. Mind your own business.

      October 17, 2012 at 8:05 pm | Report abuse |
  9. brenee

    It's unfortunate that the actual issues driving this are not being discussed: culturally appropriate collective, hierarchical decision making. It is entirely acceptable in many Asian families for medical choices (and major life decisions) to be family or parent decisions, not considered to be in the individual's locus of control. We are simply too individualistic, rights-based to understand from this young woman's perspective. To shame her father may be unthinkable dishonor to her family.

    October 12, 2012 at 6:33 am | Report abuse |
  10. Bert

    I say let this family decide what they think is best.. sometimes all we have is hope I don't see why that should be taken from them and there faith in god questioned.

    October 12, 2012 at 3:31 am | Report abuse |
    • Lisa

      What if it is selfishness? Not wanting to accept this impending loss? And for that, they make their daughter suffer a slow death?

      October 12, 2012 at 8:00 am | Report abuse |
      • alumette

        Parents need to do what is best for their kids. She wanted to die and they should honor that decision. They are selfish and dictate their views to her fate. They are wrong. if she were a small child, it may be somewhat different but she is an adult.

        October 17, 2012 at 8:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Caitlin

      I'm not sure if you've ever had a life-threatening illness before. I have. I had leukemia. Let me tell you how much pain and suffering my body went through. How everyday I woke up too weak to even hold my head up. I puked in my sleep. I had to be carried to the bathtub because I had gotten pressure sores on my rear. The very medicines i took brought pain. And that was me doing well. I can't even imagine how bad it hurts when your at the stage she is at. So don't sit there and say its a parent's right to decide when you have no idea what that poor woman is going through. Death is a release from pain. Making your child suffer... that will send you to hell way faster than letting her end her suffering.

      October 12, 2012 at 9:36 am | Report abuse |
      • alumette

        I had a friend who slowly died of brain cancer and her pain was coming from the atrophy of all her muscles. When the muscles shrink, it is excruciating. This poor girl is in agony. I only hope she gets a lot of narcotics to ease that pain. Shame on her parents.

        October 17, 2012 at 8:11 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Judy Taylor

    It is very sad when people deal with death like this. Many years ago (before hospice was available here ) my mother died of cancer in a hospital. They did not give us a choice. She didn't want all the "equipment". It was forced on her by the doctors and hospital. Since then, several people in my family (including me) have had cancer and some have died. If you have a terminal illness, talk to hospice BEFORE you get too sick. I've seen many people go through horrible treatments just to satisfy their family – not because it was what they wanted. Don't lose the last few months of your life being sick all the time from chemo and other drugs when you could be having some good days. Tell your family how you feel and get a power of attorney and someone you trust to carry it out. Talk to your doctor and talk to hospice YOURSELF. Don't leave it up to your family to make all the decisions when you are too weak to make your voice heard. My sister and I discussed this many times and she had the courage to die on her own terms. She discussed with the hospice doctor at what point her quality of life would be so bad that it wasn't worth enduring any longer. Not one of us wanted to be the one to say now is the time. She and her doctor decided. As a cancer survivor, I think it is harder to watch someone you love dying a long painful death that it is to go thru it yourself. No, I do not believe in the "Dr Death" approach. Stoping treatment and dying a natural death, yes. Take responsibility for yourself. My point of view comes from watching my mother, sisters, nieces and dozens of friends from the "chemo room" and cancer support group die. If you are unhappy in your life and have many unresolved issues AND you refuse to accept death – you will die an "unhappy death" Read about the stages of death. I was very surprised when I went to a cancer support group (a very large and mixed group – old, young, men, women, visitors) and found they were very upbeat, happy, joking and didn't dwell on the fact that half of them were dying. The serious times were when someone had a "crisis" or a new person came into the group. The few people that came in and didn't come back were the people that could not accept being sick and were very angry. (Look up 5 stages of dying). My first impression was "most of these people are dying, why are they so happy? Don't they know dying is a serious business!" I stuck with them because i wanted to find out how they could deal with dying. I went expecting them to give me answers, sort of a blueprint. I saw love, kindness, genuine friendship and faith in action. I do not believe that God says we must suffer as much as possible before we die. If you have faith, you should look forward to your suffering being at an end, not prolonging suffering because you are afraid to die. I think this family does not believe in a loving God.

    October 12, 2012 at 12:49 am | Report abuse |
    • J Chamberlain

      Judy, I applaud your whole belief in everything you say. I lost my father, a retired Dr, to cancer a couple of years ago and watched a very dignified gentleman choose a very painful way to die as he wanted to die at home without all the "equipment". This meant that my mother, a retired nurse, had to be with him to the very end and witness all he went through. He refused treatment as it was only diagnosed at late stage and he didn't want to prolong the inevitable any longer than necessary. He chose his own ending, he discussed it all with the family, with his minister and we knew what his wishes were and abided by them. I truly believe that if you know you are dying, your should be given the choice. However, if it were one of my children, I'm not sure that I would encourage them to try every medical possibility available as it isn't natural for a parent to outlive their child(ren).
      It is very easy for people to judge others based on what they read but if you haven't been in that situation or witnessed a loved one enduring endless pain, you really don't know how you would act.
      I hope this intelligent and bright young lady is allowed the dignity of making her own decision and my God bless her and her family.

      October 12, 2012 at 10:29 am | Report abuse |
  12. Let It Be

    I am a mother who has lost a child. I also have seen what terminal cancer does. With all of that said I believe in God and miracles. God knows our limitations, our pain, and I firmly believe that there is a time to just let that loved one go. We should not prolong suffering hoping for a miracle. The miracle if it was meant to be will come whether this girl is on life support or not. It is not suicide to put yourself in God's hands and die peacefully if that is what He chooses to have happen.

    October 12, 2012 at 12:33 am | Report abuse |
  13. DaMeglet

    If ending your life artificially is playing God, isn't keeping yourself alive artificially also playing God? They are opposite poles of the same folly: refusing to let nature and God's will take their course. Her parents should quit being so selfish and let the poor woman go home to God!

    October 12, 2012 at 12:00 am | Report abuse |
    • alumette

      I think she needs to ask for a lawyer; kick her parents out and have her attending unplug the ventilator....that is if she can communicate.

      October 17, 2012 at 8:18 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Jack

    Wow, you religious folk sure are a strange breed. Here's a woman on her deathbed awaiting her final breath and her brainwashed parents intervene with this sinful suicidal nonsense. I can think of a multitude of things I rather be thinking about than listening to my family tell me about how my wanting to die was wrong. I think if I were in her position I would end up pulling the plug myself so I wouldn't have to listen to such rubbish.

    October 11, 2012 at 11:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • noillusion

      Took the words right out of my mouth. It's not the family's choice. It's hers.

      October 12, 2012 at 12:37 am | Report abuse |
      • Darzl

        I am religious, but I very much agree with you. Respect a persons dying wish, support their wish and show them love.

        October 12, 2012 at 12:03 pm | Report abuse |
      • alumette

        For normal people in a culture that respects adults, it would be a no brainer but these people are Koreans. They are, for the most part extremely controlled by religion, family and myths. That poor girl was manipulated until the end by her parents who wanted her to stay alive no matter her wishes or her pain. That behavior is what you see in Korean families. Very controlling ! so much for comfort....none.

        October 17, 2012 at 8:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • alumette

      You know, if she could she would and kick her parents in the butt as well. Poor girl.

      October 17, 2012 at 8:14 pm | Report abuse |
  15. CherB

    My husband died this past June, he was terminal. We knew this and were not afraid of death. I as his wife and a couple of very close friends who loved him greatly allowed him to die with dignity. We took him home after two weeks in the hospital. Some doctors wanted to continue treating him. We changed doctors, to one who was in line with our views. Many friends and loved ones continued to care for him for another 2 weeks at home. He had everyone in his family around him, We respected him when he made it clear to us it was time. It was a still and peaceful passing. We watched him enlighten and transend. I will never regret what happened, I know we honored a wonderful human being in the best possible way by allowing him to die and not prolong unnessary suffering,

    October 11, 2012 at 11:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • alumette

      Good for you...as it should be. We can control nature to some degree as we make the proper decisions.

      October 17, 2012 at 8:20 pm | Report abuse |
  16. Black Dynamite

    A woman can't make a decision on whether to do us a favor, or stick around?

    I know I'm shocked......

    October 11, 2012 at 11:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • alumette

      I see you are...also delusional. Dream on.

      October 17, 2012 at 8:34 pm | Report abuse |
  17. tanya

    What would Jesus do? Would he say to this poor stricken woman "woman you must stay hooked up to this ventilator so your misery can be prolonged or you will go to hell?" Or would he assure her of his Father's love for her and His desire to see her at peace? So strange how people forget Jesus was a healer. I believe he would respect this woman's desire to be healed from her needlessly prolonged torment.
    Oh, and also, I have always felt that the idea of "hell" was a rather elitist concept. One must be living in relative comfort to come up with this idea. I wonder if children who are suffering from AIDS and starving every day in Africa would come up with this idea of "hell"–probably not because they are already living it. Further proof that it is a made up idea to scare people into going to church.

    October 11, 2012 at 10:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mario

      WWJD? Is not always a relevant question in the way you have framed it. Clearly you are a Protestant. Jesus commanded us to suffer and carry our own cross, perhaps hers is to struggle against the brain cancer. Perhaps Jesus calls her to prayer to draw closer to his saving grace on the cross. You need to read all of the Bible or you will miss out that Jesus also called us to suffering.

      October 11, 2012 at 10:50 pm | Report abuse |
      • Josh

        Or maybe you need to stop assuming you have the bible, or all belief for that matter, figured out. Learn to accept that you can't possibly know THE Truth and that you only know YOUR Truth and how you interpret it. "Godly" people need to stop telling everyone else they are wrong and how they should believe. You are not infallible.

        October 11, 2012 at 10:57 pm | Report abuse |
      • Diane

        That is a sadistic mentality!

        October 11, 2012 at 11:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • jaysun

      Some Christian groups believe that it is against God to be using medical devices such as these to begin with. God is NOT keeping this woman alive. MAN is. By taking her off the machine, she is putting her life in the hands of GOD rather than a machine. So you see, it all depends on your point of view. I personally believe there is no way this woman could spend eternity in hell for choosing not to be hooked up to a man made machine. A machine which was based in science, NOT religion.

      October 11, 2012 at 11:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Pluto312

      WWJD? He would wave his hand over her and heal her. Duh.

      October 12, 2012 at 6:35 am | Report abuse |
  18. Lynn

    I remember Terri Shivow. (sorry about the spelling). There are no winners in these situations. Sadly,this is a very tough situation. My mom had several strokes years ago and she decided not to have life saving measures such as a feeding tube. I'm a Christian woman, but I totally supported my moms decision. It was very hard to see my mom suffer, but I accepted her decision and spent as much time with her as possible over the month that she lived. The fact is that every one of us lives and every one dies. Some people with great faith have been healed and I have seen it happen. And others are not and they have great faith. The most important thing is to support this family, not criticize their decisions and be sure your family knows your own decisions by clearly documenting them through living wills and wills. Most people do not have those in place. And I know this will draw criticizm, but be prepared to meet God.

    October 11, 2012 at 10:07 pm | Report abuse |
  19. edvhou812

    Hell isn't fired and brimstone with Satan. Hell is prolonged physical suffering and having a bunch of mindless religious zealots telling you that you have to continue going through torture.

    October 11, 2012 at 9:48 pm | Report abuse |
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      October 11, 2012 at 10:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jay Shapiro

      You are correct. Not only that, but isn't it ironic how all the bible thumpers who talk so much about looking forward to meeting the invisible wizard who lives in the sky, are so petrified of death that they will do anything, put their families through anything, and deny reality, in order to avoid it, even when it is medically obvious that there is no hope. Curious behavior.

      October 11, 2012 at 11:16 pm | Report abuse |
      • noillusion

        Right, if they're so certain they are going to heaven, what are they waiting for? They wait because deep down they know they are bullsh!tting themselves.

        October 12, 2012 at 12:49 am | Report abuse |
  20. Erik

    Her parents are confused idiots, keeping someone alive on life support who would otherwise die is what is unnatural if you want to look at it in the true spiritual aspect not the other way around like they are. How is it suicide if she naturally dies after being taken off life support! DUMB!

    October 11, 2012 at 9:36 pm | Report abuse |
  21. Nonna

    Most death, like birth is hidden away in the depths of our hospitals. We see our friends and loved ones go in...sometimes not ever coming out.Death is shrouded in mystery to most of us. We see a person immobile,lying in a hospital bed."Grandma is sleeping" someone says to a child, but Grandma never wakes up or comes home. We need to see that death is a part of life, that there is a time for it to end. Death and the "End of Life Choices" should be openly talked about before it gets to the point of being to late.Death should not be feared,painful nor should people lose their dignity and watch their loved one suffer needlessly. This is 2012, America and people have the right to say how they choose to exit. Shame on these parents-no matter how well meaning they thought, they prolonged this womans transition.

    October 11, 2012 at 9:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Yellow Tevo

      Nonna, I completely agree with you. I think that once I can no longer care for myself and when I need somebody to change my diapers, my life has come to its end. I'm done. We should all be able to die with dignity and when we know it's just done. We treat animals' deaths with more dignity than our loved ones'....

      October 11, 2012 at 9:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kristi

      Completely agree with you. It's not suicide at all. They're artificially prolonging her life and she's suffering. I just watched my own mother die a month ago. She chose to stop eating and drinking – she'd had a stroke and could no longer speak, her mental capacity diminished and was falling constantly. She had a dignified death at home over the course of 10 days. Hospice kept her comfortable and we all got to say our goodbyes. Love you mom.

      October 11, 2012 at 10:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Pam

      As a nurse I totally agree with you. From a young age we need to teach the cycle of life to kids. My father died unexpectedly when his 2 oldest grandsons were 8 and 6. My mom was worred about them attending the wake and funeral. My sister stuck to her guns and took them. The funeral home was great by providing a private viewing for the kids and helping them to understand. They were sad and missed grandpa but they had some understanding that his death even unexpecteldly was part of life's cycle. I understand these parents saddness and reluctance to let her go but her wishes should be honored and the community should support both her and the parents thru this terrbly difficult situation.

      October 11, 2012 at 11:22 pm | Report abuse |
  22. littlemisslupie

    This woman made a choice to end her life. She will not get better. She has advanced brain cancer. Unfortunately her parents are being selfish by keeping her here. She wants to go. This is not living. Just like the doctors say she is prolonging death. And honestly if it's your life you have the choice when to end it. She is suffering everyday. It is not fair that her parents got in her ear and made HER feel bad about how she wants to go. How dare they. How damn selfish is that? The woman is dying and you honor their decision and leave your personal beliefs out of it. This sickens me.

    October 11, 2012 at 9:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jakobi

      Go you mean, you are god and you know, how long she will live, how about your time of departure, have you figured it out yet? Nothing but hinduism, hypothesis.

      October 11, 2012 at 9:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kristi

      Exactly, it's selfish of the parents to ask her to suffer any longer.

      October 11, 2012 at 10:41 pm | Report abuse |
  23. charl

    I still believe in miracles and i like the that kind of faith her father have knowing and believing the Almighty God to Spare her Daughters Life. Such faith. Lord please hear us now. What a Miracle it will be should she survive. There are always Medical Miracles meaning God is still at work Unless God wants her home eternally Then her Father Got no Choice. but lets believe and keep praying for this young Lady. it could be your sister or your wife even in fact it can happen to anyone.

    October 11, 2012 at 9:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • noillusion

      Looking up at the stars I know quite well, that for all they care I can go to hell. -W.H. Auden

      October 12, 2012 at 12:56 am | Report abuse |
  24. Truth Sayer

    terminatus-interuptus is illegal in seven states.

    October 11, 2012 at 8:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Calvin

      so are french fried cats.

      October 11, 2012 at 9:11 pm | Report abuse |
  25. MomWiz

    Technology in both medical care and communications has made us overly sensitive to the very fine lines between life, death, and the choices we can now make that were unavailable to humans in the past. We can now choose to extend a life, or save a new one, solely based on technology when that life would never have existed or would have ended earlier just a few short decades ago. Some religious leaders would, as Jesus commented, stand at the gates of heaven and not allow followers in when choices like this one present themselves. It's not fair to equate allowing a natural death with suicide or murder, and in some cases of conception/abortion that should be rethought as well, from a religious standpoint. We are told that what is bound on earth will be bound in heaven, so it's time for us as a society to draw the lines with maturity and compassion. The same could be said of other issues such as homosexuality, with our scientific evidence that shows often genetics play a determining role. Christ asked us to question and think, not to condemn.

    October 11, 2012 at 8:52 pm | Report abuse |
  26. nicolebarwinski

    btw, forgot to answer the question on hand here: no, I don't consider this suicide.

    October 11, 2012 at 8:38 pm | Report abuse |
  27. nicolebarwinski

    And this is why a living will/personal directive is so important!! How sad that her parents make her feel guilty! Nothing like "you are going to hell" to make her feel loved by them and letting her die in peace. I guess it helps when your family members are on the same page and it is something that should be talked about. My family knows, and I know what their wishes are – which we also all have in writing!

    October 11, 2012 at 8:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • billpayer

      Since she is apparently cognizant and aware, even if she had a living will in writing, she could revoke it. It only becomes irrevocable when that person becomes unable to make decisions.

      October 11, 2012 at 8:46 pm | Report abuse |
  28. DN3

    She is a very brave woman. I'm thinking that perhaps she did it knowing that the end will come soon and wants to give her parents peace.

    October 11, 2012 at 8:25 pm | Report abuse |
  29. A tough decision

    My grandfather was diagnosed with an illness that made his life very difficult, he had to eat through a tube to his stomach and rely on others around him. He felt that he had become a burden to the family, even though we were all there to help him. He called a family meeting one day, and told us that he decided that he no longer wanted to live, because he felt that what he was doing wasn't LIVING, and he was ready to die. There were mixed emotions from all family members, some supported his decision and saw it as bravery. Others saw it as selfishness and begged him to change his mind.

    Ultimately, it was his decision. And that's the beautiful thing about it.

    The reality of it is, I watched my grandfather refuse food, and starve for 6 weeks until his death. I saw him change from a strong man, to a skeleton. It was the hardest thing I've ever had to watch, and I'm sure it was the hardest decision he's ever had to make.

    I understand that people view this decision as a weakness, and they feel that they are being selfish because they could be spending a lot more time with their families. But who is being selfish in the end? What if they are choosing to say goodbye? That's alright too, we all must part at some point in time, and wouldn't you want to part knowing that your loved one's suffering has ended?

    I would never wish that suffering on anyone, and I've learned a lot from the experience with my grandfather. But the fact that he chose what he did was his choice in life. I watched everyone's emotions change toward the end. The length of time it took for him to pass allowed time for everyone to think about what was important: telling him how much we loved him, and making him feel as comfortable as possible.

    This is not suicide, murder, or killing a precious life. Life always ends in death, and we shouldn't be so afraid of it. It takes a brave individual to accept that the life he knew is now over, and to let death happen and make the decision to leap into the unfamiliar:

    Heaven, a second life, nothingingness, whatever you believe.


    October 11, 2012 at 8:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • DebAH

      Very well said. That had to be very hard to see your grandfather suffer so much towards the end but I can also see it from his point of view too.

      October 12, 2012 at 8:39 am | Report abuse |
  30. Faith

    The problem with society is there is no shortage for disrespect of anothers religeous beliefs. You have the right to not believe in Jesus, correct, you have the right to pull the plug or not pull the plug if you should be unfortunate to be in this unfortunate womens position, you also have the right to think ugly evil rude thoughts, correct, but do you have to talk through your ass every chance you get just to spread uglyness throughout the world just so people can feel as bad as you feel every minutes of every day about yourselves? You are the darkness that God's light shines bright and diminishes you.

    October 11, 2012 at 8:18 pm | Report abuse |
  31. pull the plug

    I told my parents that if this happens to me please, for the love of God, pull that f 'n plug.

    October 11, 2012 at 7:45 pm | Report abuse |
  32. JP

    Silly, silly parents, using religion to get their daughter to suffer more.... so they can feel better.

    October 11, 2012 at 7:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • MarkinFL

      This is an example of the selfish side of faith.

      October 11, 2012 at 8:19 pm | Report abuse |
  33. Jchrist

    Christian girls are some of the freakiest to have sex with... beforfe marraage of course.

    October 11, 2012 at 7:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • G.O.

      Wow, are you sure you don't have brain tumors? Seems not terminal, but will always make you say wrong things at the right place/time

      October 11, 2012 at 7:37 pm | Report abuse |
      • S.T.O.P.

        Maybe! But I like it...

        Ya know, there is a cure for AIDS? Stop screwing around you fucking faggots!

        October 11, 2012 at 7:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Vginmary

      I always wanted to kill myself on the steps of the supreme court with a sign that says "assisted suicide now!"

      October 11, 2012 at 7:44 pm | Report abuse |
      • crazyvermont

        no ones stopping you:) Might be the one time anyonme notices you exist or did

        October 11, 2012 at 8:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mo

      Same with Muslim chicks

      October 11, 2012 at 7:45 pm | Report abuse |
      • S.T.O.P.

        There is no way I would stick my dick in a Muslim chick... may as well stick it in the dirt!

        October 11, 2012 at 7:49 pm | Report abuse |
        • Faith


          October 11, 2012 at 8:06 pm | Report abuse |
        • Fred

          It is people like you that make this world a place where hatred is the norm. I can almost picture you lying on the ground, sticking your pecker into the dirt. That would seem to be just the right place for dirtbags like yourself.

          Ever wonder why everyone else in the entire friggin' world would like to see America brought to its knees? Look no further than the nearest mirror.

          October 11, 2012 at 8:07 pm | Report abuse |
        • billpayer

          Are you an imbecile, or merely a moron?

          October 11, 2012 at 8:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • johnquepublique

      You mean some have sex after marriage??? What a great concept...but don't tell my wife I said so...

      October 11, 2012 at 8:34 pm | Report abuse |
      • Calvin

        you said it twice

        October 11, 2012 at 9:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • johnquepublique

      You mean some have sex after marriage??? What a great concept...but don't tell my wife I said so...

      October 11, 2012 at 8:35 pm | Report abuse |
  34. Cheris13

    Sorry there is a difference between actively killing yourself vs. allowing yourself to die. Hell or no hell she has that right either way and I do not believe that any loving God or caring person should make or deny either decision for her if she is capable of making it. It is her decision, even if she changes her mind, even if it is too late and you have a second thoughts...oops. My only issue is with people who want to kill other people before killing themselves. Just skip the first part as this is not your right and skip to the second part which is.

    October 11, 2012 at 6:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jakobi

      She is cooked on drugs, not in her right mind, hindu, ignorant, she need help and you are none.

      October 11, 2012 at 6:48 pm | Report abuse |
      • Poltergiest

        If she did not have her mental faculties, that would be a case for the fathers custody. As the court trial determined, she is mentally fit and capable making sound decisions. And she made one. Stop trying to read her mind.

        October 11, 2012 at 7:25 pm | Report abuse |
        • Jakobi

          Take some of those pain killers and mind altering drug's and let me know, how good you are. I almost killed my self driving, while, I thought I was fine to drive after treatment for injuries in a hospital. She is not normal to decide after treatment. Wish i washy, no more than a child.

          October 11, 2012 at 7:57 pm | Report abuse |
      • vlaughlin

        What does being Hindu have to do with anything? Your ignorance is obvious.

        October 11, 2012 at 8:10 pm | Report abuse |
        • Jakobi

          Word hindu is driven from Latin word, hindered, negative, Hun, great, Han, to be in gretness, hin, to be negative to both of them, hindu, a noun in negativity, hinduism, way of negativity. Now stop to be a hindu, negative. Visit limitisthetry

          October 11, 2012 at 9:03 pm | Report abuse |
      • DebAH

        "Evangelical Korean-American church"

        That's not Hindu.

        October 12, 2012 at 8:44 am | Report abuse |
  35. Andrea Jacobs

    In defence to Jesus Christ, Son of the Most High God, creator and master of the universe who is omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent is real. Whether you have proof thereof or not, Jesus is real. He is a Spirit & only via spirit can one connect with Him. One day, whether you like it or not, every knee shall and will bow and very single tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord, thus saith The Lord.

    October 11, 2012 at 6:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jeff

      How do you know he is real unless you have proof? We all know that our minds can play tricks on us – I know you believe he is real, but you can not say you really.

      If you are truly honest with yourself, you will admit that.

      October 11, 2012 at 6:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Thor

      I bow my knee to nobody. When the time comes, I will draw my sword and smite Jesus in the name of the Odin. Then I will raise a mead horn and boast of my deeds to the Hosts of Asgard.

      Victory or Valhalla!

      October 11, 2012 at 6:33 pm | Report abuse |
      • The Hulk

        Puny gods...

        October 11, 2012 at 7:51 pm | Report abuse |
      • Zeus

        You may have a thunder hammer. But I made the thunder. And my sexcapades would make all of the combined raping of your Viking minions look like celibacy.

        October 11, 2012 at 10:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Andrea Jacobs

      I know that I know that I know He is Real. He is real to me! He is my Prince of peace. The lily of the valley. My bright and morning star. He is the I am that I am that I am. He is the alpha and the omega. He is my all in all. And I love him. I would like to take this time to introduce you to my personal friend and saviour King Jesus. There's nothing to hard for Him to do. I dare you to test him. Call on his name. You've just experienced a death in your family, a close loved one. Jesus sees and knows. Just reach out to him and He will reach out to you.

      As a matter of fact I speak prophetically into the subject issue at hand which is the young lady on the life support machine. I decree and declare that she shall not die, according to the spirit that worketh in her. I declare and prophesy over her life that she will not die but she shall live to declare the works of the living God. I speak life into every dead bones in her body. I command her brain to renew itself. I command it to be perfected and made whole. I speak life over her very being.

      October 11, 2012 at 6:43 pm | Report abuse |
      • viznix

        Boy, you're gonna look quite foolish when she finally succumbs to her ailment

        October 11, 2012 at 6:48 pm | Report abuse |
        • Andrea Jacobs

          I rather look foolish and speak life into her very being than to declare death over her. Jesus is Lord and He is still in the business of healing. He died on the Cross at Calvary and paid for my life, her life and your life with the stripes that were laid on His back. Before His spirit left his body He declared prophetically that 'It is finished'. Therefore, I believe with all my heart body and soul that She will live.

          October 11, 2012 at 6:58 pm | Report abuse |
        • Ashley


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      • T R

        Andrea Jacobs, do you have any idea how delusional you sound?

        October 11, 2012 at 6:48 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ashley

        that is quete beautifll but read my comment from 6:56

        October 11, 2012 at 6:59 pm | Report abuse |
        • Andrea Jacobs


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      • Fred

        You make me sick! If there is a God, he lives only in our minds. That is wonderful for those of you who need to believe that an omnipotent being is watching over you. For those of us who have clear minds, we know that no such being exists in any form. So, go ahead and keep prattling on about God, just keep it to yourself.

        NB: Your God is one miserable SOB if he really allows all the shit to go on in the world.

        October 11, 2012 at 7:59 pm | Report abuse |
      • Faith

        That was beautiful, thank you for being an angel.

        October 11, 2012 at 8:00 pm | Report abuse |
        • Andrea Jacobs

          You are welcome. Keep on holding on to the promises of God. He is able to that which man cannot do. He is a God that specialises in impossibilities. He makes the crooked path straight and allows rivers to spring up in dry places. He is God and God alone a d he still sits on the throne!

          October 11, 2012 at 11:14 pm | Report abuse |
      • yojimbobo

        why should we believe that he will save her ? wasnt it his will that she got the cancer?he has failed her and her family.her father devoted his life to God and this is how God treats the devoted? she should be allowed to go peacfully..

        October 11, 2012 at 10:34 pm | Report abuse |
        • Andrea Jacobs

          God's will is that we perfect Holiness on earth and that we have life more abundantly. The devil comes to kill steal and destroy John 10:10. The Bible said that before the foundation of this earth He knew each and everyone of us and that He called us by name Jeremiah 1:5. God's will is that we live to fulfil our purpose here on earth, the devil snatch us before we can fulfil purpose. Therefore, we ought to ensure that we go back into our lineage and cancel every plan of the enemy that seeks to rob us.

          October 11, 2012 at 11:03 pm | Report abuse |
      • Mongo23

        Jesus went to a lot of trouble to give her brain cancer, and now you command that she not die? Wow.

        October 11, 2012 at 10:45 pm | Report abuse |
        • Andrea Jacobs

          Jesus did not give her cancer. I can command that cancer to dry up and wither from the roots and go back to the pits of hell because I carry the glory of God on me. As a matter of fact I also have power and dominion over anything that is not of God according to Luke 10:19 and I can exercise this spiritual authority as the spirit leads me to do. I trust and pray that God will hover over and around her and breathe into every dead cells and dried bones in her body. And He will come through for her. God is still in the business of healing. I don't care how bad a situation looks so long as you have the knowledge and can tap into His spirit all things become possible. Because with God nothing is impossible.

          October 11, 2012 at 11:11 pm | Report abuse |
        • Literal

          Andrea, if you can wipe away her cancer, why don't you? Please post the link to the medical tests showing all cancer removed from her body after you do so to prove that you have this ability. Otherwise, your words are drivel.

          October 12, 2012 at 12:07 am | Report abuse |
        • Andrea Jacobs

          Jesus Christ is the great physician and I stand on the word of God. God can perform any miracle within a split second. God can reverse anything the world has done. He says in Proverbs 21:1 that the kings heart is in the hands of The Lord and like the rivers of waters he turneth it withersoever he will. And I believe. The Bible also says whose report will you believe. I believe the report of The Lord. Therefore, I believe that she will be made whole. I have no doubt that God can and will perform a surgical operation on her right there in that bed and make her whole again. No doubt. God is a good good God!

          October 12, 2012 at 7:11 am | Report abuse |
      • Gordon

        Just a minor detail: Jesus Christ didn't leave as a Spirit. His physical body also revived during resurrection, and He left with the whole body. When He comes back, He will come with the physical body intact. And the believers will all iive in a new physical universe, just like the original Eden before the decay started due to sin.

        Remember, evolutionary process is nothing but a futile attempt to fight against this doomed decay of the universe.

        October 11, 2012 at 11:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jakobi

      Name of son of blessed Mary was not Jesus but EASU, anointed one, at least call him by his real name, unless you are talking about some one else.

      October 11, 2012 at 6:45 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ann

        Hund, dog in German, han, he in Swedish, he, he in English ha laughter in many languages, hee hee giggle in English, Hanh, a proper name in Vietnamese
        Ha ha ha, hee hee stop being a hund

        October 11, 2012 at 11:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jakobi

      Name of son of blessed Mary name was not Jesus but EASU, anointed one,

      October 11, 2012 at 6:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jakobi

      name of son of blessed Mary was not Jesus, but Easu, anointed one. Whom are you talking about?

      October 11, 2012 at 6:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Andrea Jacobs

      I agree that to you it sounds delusional but my God tells me in Numbers 23:19 that He is not man that He should lie, neither is He the Son of Man that He should repent. Therefore, based on scripture Healing is still her bread. All she has to do is claim her healing. The Bible also says that God is no respector of persons. He is a Spirit. And I have encountered this Spirit and never will I be the same again.

      October 11, 2012 at 6:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Fr Thomas, the doubter

      Show me anything in the bible or regligious text, and I will show you the science of it.

      Terry Schivo was kept alive because her family thought she communicated with them. It was an act of God. Oops. Turns out her brain is dead. Turned the machines off, she died. No God.

      Parents petition the court to allow them to inject their daughter with hormones to prevent puberty. She was severely disabled and could not even move on her own. A child like body is easier to handle. She was their "Angel from God".

      Children born so premature they cannot live on their own. When they finally reach a gestationally developed fetus, they are handicapped and will never be able to do anything by or for themselves. Miracles from heaven.

      Athletes thinking God is the reason they just scored.

      Drunk driver kills family, but he survives. It is his fault, not that it was God's plan to take them to heaven.

      October 11, 2012 at 6:54 pm | Report abuse |
      • Andrea Jacobs

        My dearest Thomas, I cannot speak unto the things you've expounded on. However, all I can tell you is to trust God. Get to know Him. Make Him your personal saviour and friend. And no matter what you're going through, Jesus will sort it out and take care of it for you. It may be difficult right now, you may have had some ups and downs but the word of God says that all things work together for the good. So everything that has happened to you is for a reason. You've just got to understand that if you can hold on a little longer you will see the clear picture at the end. Get to know Him. You won't regret it.

        October 11, 2012 at 7:03 pm | Report abuse |
        • dd samuels

          I am getting tired of you people. Trust Jesus my ?%$. Do you know how many stories I've heard of people who pray every day and are faced with one torment after another, they beg for help, and NONE COMES!!!! Others who are wicked, do just fine. F Jesus.

          October 11, 2012 at 7:21 pm | Report abuse |
        • Andrea Jacobs

          The Glory carriers which are the people clothed in God's righteousness have gone through the process of purification, sanctification, edification and justification. God is obliged to hear you. He is obliged to move on our behalf but we can only do so via His spirit. If we haven't understood that He is God alone supreme, powerful and almighty and is Spirit then He cannot move in or through us the way we want to. I dare you to tap into His spirit via faith and see what God can and will do.

          October 11, 2012 at 7:29 pm | Report abuse |
        • Fred

          this is a typical response from "believers". You can't say why bad things happen. You subscribe to the theory that everything that happens is His mysterious plan. Bullcrap! The only God is Eric Clapton

          October 11, 2012 at 8:03 pm | Report abuse |
        • kenchandammit

          Andrea, how many of those specific quotes are actually in the Bible? If it's not in the Bible, then someone simply made it up, right? Right? Yeah, I know it sounds good, and it makes it easier for you to believe but, if it's not actually IN there, then someone, after the fact, made it up, right? Furthermore, since the earliest accounts we have of Jesus' life were written about 100 years after his death... (Yep! ONE HUNDRED YEARS !) much of the New Testament can be regarded as 'made up'! Be nice to people... live your life... and be happy ! That doesn't require a belief in an invisible, giant SuperHero in the sky who loves you but who will make you burn for eternity for looking at your neighbor's boobs!

          October 11, 2012 at 8:06 pm | Report abuse |
        • why delay

          Andrea, you said make God your friend... do you mean like a life-long imaginary friend?

          October 11, 2012 at 8:48 pm | Report abuse |
        • Andrea Jacobs

          Yes because we communicate with one another via spirit. My spirit man is connected directly to His spirit and He calls me friend and I likewise. I have made His Spirit my best friend. It leads me into all truth and I am not afraid or ashamed.

          October 11, 2012 at 11:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • Father Guido Sarducci

      Forget about it. Jesus was just goofing on us.

      October 11, 2012 at 7:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • kenchandammit

      Yep! That's exactly what they told you!

      October 11, 2012 at 7:50 pm | Report abuse |
  36. Joseph

    I think that the misunderstanding here is that people do not understand Christian beliefs nor respect them. If I have to, as a Christian, respect and comply with secular ideals then the secular world needs to respect the way we believe. I don't know if it is suicide to turn off the machine but its up to her. God gives us free will to choose right from wrong and if she truly believed she was right in the choice to die then her parents would not have been able to change her mind. Personally it sounds like she wanted to end the suffering but wasn't really ready to die.

    October 11, 2012 at 6:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike7

      I think that turning the machines off would NOT be suicide. It is only through technology and science that the machines were created that keep her alive. What if the machines malfunction or just didn't exist. She would die a natural death.

      If we are to go to the ends of the earth (no matter what) to perform every thing, just to stay alive, what kind of life would that be?
      If turning off the life support machines is suicide, then eating unhealthy foods, smoking, drinking, too much sun, too much job stress, too much marital stress, to much of anything that is bad for you is ALSO suicide.

      And since I don't believe the later are cases for suicide, neither do I think turning off life support is suicide.
      God loves his children and does not wish them to suffer.

      October 11, 2012 at 6:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ashley

      I agree with joseph he does have a point. My opinion is that even though the bible says you wil be condemmed to hell if commiting suicide there is a fine line between literally killing yourself and finally letting go. Think about it this way if everyday of your life you live knowing that you will always need a machine to keep you alive wouldn't you want to be in a better place than that. If her parents really understood her they would let her go peacefully. I have felt the greif and pain of losing someone and I still to this day grief but have learned that letting go of someone is the answer. Yes, you will miss them and still love them but be happy that they can finally meet God and be happy. They will watch over you. As only a 13 year old girl I understand her parents but I I also understand the woman's decision. Thank you Joseph and everyone else of reading my comment. P.S I do write pretty long for an 8th grader.

      October 11, 2012 at 6:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Fr Thomas, the doubter

      She made her decision. Being the daughter of a minister, she probably considered the "faith" side of it. It was her Father that convinced her she was sinning and that she should keep the machine on. Why is it not a sin that he cannot accept "God's will" in this?

      October 11, 2012 at 6:56 pm | Report abuse |
  37. ElleJ

    I find the cruelty religious fanatics inflict upon other humans in the name the their so-called "god" to be incredibly disturbing, especially when they claim to love the victim. Their is NOTHING rational about this family's actions.

    October 11, 2012 at 5:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Poltergiest

      There is nothing rational about the grieving process.

      October 11, 2012 at 6:04 pm | Report abuse |
  38. Gigi915

    Kim you are right, by putting this woman on the machine, the doctors gave her parents hope, it may seems sellfish to all of us what the parents did, but watching your child die cannot be easy. The doctors should have let nature take it's course in the 1st place. No God does not allow suffering and I don't think He will see it as suicide to unplug the machine, like the parents want her beleive. But also I do understand as parents where they maybe coming from. My father forgot that he left my son with his sister in law once and told me that he dropped him off with me, not knowing where my son was for an hour and I almost went crazy. Imagine these people knowing that for sure they will lose their daughter.

    October 11, 2012 at 5:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Fr Thomas, the doubter

      Let's use your side on this. I am religious (feels odd)

      God has destined this woman to die sooner than a full life. He went as far as to give her a terminal illness. Rather than accept it and take happiness in the days they were given before the illness, the family is extending the pain of the woman. To be out of pain, she will require meds. Which will probably keep her from being "alive" in the sense of being able to talk and live.

      If you believe as you claim, then you have to admit the family is sinning for not allowing GOD to carry out his plan. But are instead using "idols" to keep her breathing.

      October 11, 2012 at 7:01 pm | Report abuse |
  39. SophieCat

    I don't know about a person's "right" to die condemning them to Hell, but I DO think this happens more often than the medical community would like for you to know.

    I also do not believe in withholding food and water from the dying. Food and water keeps them comfortable, and "comfortable" is the goal of palliative care. So why withold it?!? Because it "prolongs life", it's been argued, but does it, really? And how is that bad?!? Water was withheld from Terri Schiavo, and I've always believed that was torture for her, in the end. Someone's gonna have to answer for that.

    I would not want someone to take the choice to CHANGE MY MIND away from me. If I change my mind, I change my mind.

    And if I change my mind, YOU BETTER LET ME LAY THERE!!

    October 11, 2012 at 5:36 pm | Report abuse |
  40. TheBigSarge

    at least you admit that He is a "He". chalk one up for the man ruled, monotheist world.


    October 11, 2012 at 5:15 pm | Report abuse |
  41. marsha

    We euthanize pets when they have cancer, or other terminal ailments. Why are we not allowing this for humans? Ive watched way too many loved ones and friends suffer in pain until they died, some WANTED to be taken home to die and medically, they were not allowed to. WHy??? I agree with a comment above that ceasing medical intervention is NOT suicide, it is letting nature take its course, I dont see anything wrong with that.. maybe it takes a day, a week, or even a month or longer in terminal illnesses, but it is the patient's right whether or not they want to die. I know I sure would not want some doc or even a family member choosing my fate. This is why I have an advance directive.

    October 11, 2012 at 5:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Question everything

      To logically debate religion or religious believe is like two kids trying to debate who's dad is better. Religion at its fundamental level requires faith, and faith in its purest form is to believe in something that have no bases for such believe. To question another's faith is attacking a person's fundamental being, and they often react violently because those faith are based on no sustainable facts. (If you have to use fact to justify you faith, then how strong is your faith really?)

      with that said, too often people who are weak in their faith often try to force everyone else to believe in the same thing, or live as they do, I have no clue why this is, maybe strength in numbers things, where if everyone else says the same thing then you must be right?

      I have a much more fundamental question. How is actively choosing to turn the machine off, versus actively to choose to die for one's faith? Why is one suicide and the other isn't?

      Again, using logic in a religious and debate of faith is pointless. Believe what you well, Jesus, Abraham, the little green men on Mars. just don't try to force your day dreams on how I live my life, or how others live theirs.

      In the end, this is a very private matter of grieving within a single family, I am sure her parents is dealing with significant amount of grieve to watch one's child die. Rational thinking is non-existent, when one is dealing with grief, much less grief on top of religious believe. We should just butt out and let everyone be, and stop quoting the best selling fiction of all time.

      October 11, 2012 at 7:17 pm | Report abuse |
  42. Thomas Mitchell

    She is an adult and it was her decision. Her father had no right to force his idiotic Jesus-BS upon her and convince her to change her mind.

    I hope he has to go through a slow, slow, slow painful death and that there is someone there forcing him to live through it. And I hope it is not his brain, he needs to be alert and feel it all.

    October 11, 2012 at 5:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jakobi

      She is incapacitated, father has right to decide on her behalf, she came from him, sent by "HIM"

      October 11, 2012 at 5:11 pm | Report abuse |
      • jurby

        Jakobi – you are an idiot. probably one of the biggest idiots i've ever come across. there's a difference between being incapacitated and being physically incapable of taking care of herself. this has nothing to do with her not being able to think for herself and not being able to make her own decisions! if she wants to be taken off life support and be allowed to die without being hooked up to a bunch of machines that are forcing the prolongation of her life than that should be HER choice NOT her father's choice! her parents have basically coerced and brainwashed their daughter to stay on life support because despite her physical condition – and the reality that she IS dying and the only reason she's still alive is because she's on life support – her parents are unwilling to admit that the only thing keeping their daughter alive are machines and they are fooling themselves into believing that she's going to get better. all her parents are doing is forcing their daughter to continue suffering because of their foolishness and selfishness. they aren't thinking of their daughter – it's all about THEM and THEIR wants!

        October 11, 2012 at 6:00 pm | Report abuse |
        • Poltergiest

          She also has the right to change her mind and still have that respected. The father said what he believed, it was her choice to agree with it or not. She is responsible for making her own decisions and she made her choice. Hopefully one that bringing her peace in the end.

          October 11, 2012 at 6:08 pm | Report abuse |
        • oksana

          you are all a bunch of fools, i have no patience with idiots.

          October 11, 2012 at 6:22 pm | Report abuse |
        • Kflood

          Jurby, I agree with you 100 percent! The family completely brainwashed her and coerced her into changing her mind.

          October 11, 2012 at 6:22 pm | Report abuse |
        • Jakobi

          Remember she is intoxicated heavily, unable to think right, just like one on crack , not able to think for her self, I have seen a situation like her, myself, She is not capable to make a decision in right mind, and no one has more right to decide for her than her father.

          October 11, 2012 at 6:36 pm | Report abuse |
        • Poltergiest

          Either she is coherent enough to make end of life decisions or she's not. Could someone coerce you into remaining in agony over a hell speech? You ask her rights be respected, they have been. You claims about her state of mind are unfounded, and if they were true she wouldn't be mentally fit to make choice either way.

          October 11, 2012 at 7:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Poltergiest

      Hold up, first you say suffering should be ended. Then you wish suffering on someone you never met in a family you don't know, in a situation that only they could truly understand. Where did your enlightened sensibilities suddenly vanish too?

      October 11, 2012 at 5:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • Poltergiest

      Oh never mind, I see where they vanished too. Jesus related catharsis.

      October 11, 2012 at 5:38 pm | Report abuse |
  43. Ohio

    The problem with today's society is that people just can't stop throwing religion and politics around. People cannot wait to utilize one of those subjects with nearly anything that comes across their path in their daily life. You see this in nearly every comment section on the internet with unrelated topics. You see this on your TV and you hear it on the radio.

    Sometimes people just need to keep their political and religious opinion to themselves and take the topic at face value. This poor woman is suffering with brain cancer and it's awful on her and her family – period. Stop being so ignorant and self-absorbed for 5 minutes and quit forcing your beliefs into other people's lives and ears.

    October 11, 2012 at 5:03 pm | Report abuse |
  44. Axel Segura

    Prolonging death is living beings final destination.

    October 11, 2012 at 4:59 pm | Report abuse |
  45. BeHereNow

    I do not follow any specific religion, Ive been surrounded by catholics and christians since birth and once practiced Catholicism. I took me until my early 20's to accept reality, that the bible was just another book with powers that have controlled and caused mayhem along with many other theological influences throughout the world. I do not consider myself an atheist, because I am spiritual. I do not believe that once we die that everything ceases to exist, maybe in physical form but I feel that there is an afterlife of some sort, no golden palace or pearly gates. But an existence that currently no one on this earth can explain. Christians and Atheist alike, what you preach are only theories or beliefs which in the end i guess you will find out who is right. Possibly neither side:)

    October 11, 2012 at 4:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jakobi

      Human are formed according to spirit, program and human are spirit in reality, living in a body, separation of body from spirit is death of body, but not spirit, spirit lives to be rejoin body after set time.

      October 11, 2012 at 4:58 pm | Report abuse |
      • tanya

        Jakobi–It sounds like your thoughts are kinda disorganized buddy

        October 11, 2012 at 5:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • T R

        You're an idiot.

        October 11, 2012 at 6:50 pm | Report abuse |
        • Ashley

          disagreed acssess dinied by an 13 year old girl seriously

          October 11, 2012 at 7:02 pm | Report abuse |
      • Fr Thomas, the doubter

        The "spirit" as you claim is just a genetic anomoly that allowed for stronger ancestors. The creature that was able to think faster was able to move away from danger, gather food and reproduce. Over time the anomoly persisted and because of genetics were passed along. The smarter the animal became, the more likely it would be the one to reproduce. We have developed and taught/programmed computers with the ability to make decisions. One even played against a human on a game show. To have 1 and not the other is possible and frequently happens.

        It is merely your immature notions of faith, that have been handed down like a pavlovian response, that allows religion to centralize so much of the world.

        October 11, 2012 at 7:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • csnord

      Jacobi - That's complete nonsense, but whatever floats your boat is fine with me.

      October 11, 2012 at 5:03 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jakobi

        Dark matter, the program, it is called spirit hindu, denier of truth absolute.

        October 11, 2012 at 5:09 pm | Report abuse |
        • Gigi915


          October 11, 2012 at 5:22 pm | Report abuse |
        • Mary

          So...you are saying you drive a taxi or work at 7-11?

          October 11, 2012 at 6:08 pm | Report abuse |
  46. Melba Voneye

    These parents very well may find that their badmouthing God like that might be a worse sin than anything this poor little girl could think about doing. Don't people realize that when they talk that way they are making God look bad? What a horrible God these people believe in! I am very greatful for the God I know that would never feel that way!

    October 11, 2012 at 4:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jakobi

      hinduism, hypotheses, God, truth absolute is essence of existence, including you hindu, ignorant. Deny "HIM" not.

      October 11, 2012 at 4:53 pm | Report abuse |
  47. Deanna

    Allow this young woman to pass with dignity and grace .... we all go down that path .....

    October 11, 2012 at 4:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jakobi

      Is your name GOD, truth absolute? two legged hindu, monkey.

      October 11, 2012 at 4:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Poltergiest

      When you die you bowels/bladder void and people have to clean it up. There is no dignified graceful way to die.

      October 11, 2012 at 5:50 pm | Report abuse |
  48. SalsaRider

    I think terminal cancer is a clear sign that it it is her time. There is a time to fight for life (chance of survival) and there is a time to make peace with yourself. My grandfather was given a choice; Chemo and live six months of suffering or no chemo and live three months with maybe two weeks of suffering. He knew it was his time and enjoyed what he had left.

    October 11, 2012 at 4:46 pm | Report abuse |
  49. skastenbaumcnn

    Hi, Steve Kastenbaum here, the reporter who put this piece together. The interesting thing about this case vs. similar ones from the past is Grace Lee was cognitive and able to communicate with her doctors. Her lawyer told me there was no doubt what she wanted, that she was ready to turn off some of the machines and let the disease take its course. In effect, she was putting her life in God's hands. But then her devoutly religious parents, her father is a minister at an Evangelical Korean-American church, apparently lectured her for hours while she was lying paralyzed in her hospital bed. The told her that her decision was the work of Satan. They're entitled to their beliefs but their daughter is a grown woman who had the ability to communicate her wishes. Yet Grace changed her mind for some reason. Her lawyer believes in addition to the religious aspect of this story there are some cultural issues at play. He believes because of traditions that call for children like Grace to obey their parent's wishes and not go against them Grace agreed to keep the life support machines running. In his opinion it wasn't necessarily her parent's belief that she would go to hell if she turned of the machines that influenced her to change her mind. In essence, she wanted to make peace with her parents before she succumbs to brain cancer.

    October 11, 2012 at 4:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • waitasec

      the power parents have over their children is incredible...
      i don't understand how this works
      on one hand you have a parent beating their child, which will have dire consequences to the child
      on the other you have a parent instilling fear in their child which will have dire consequences as well
      slap religion on it and all of a sudden the parent instilling fear in a child is now scott free of instilling fear

      i don't get it.

      October 11, 2012 at 4:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • sockpuppet1984

      Perhaps she sees that they truly believe she will go to hell, and that they couldn't live with the idea that their daughter was in hell. Maybe since she is going to die within a couple of weeks anyway, she decided it was worth the suffering to give her parents peace of mind. I personally don't believe she would go to hell, nor do I believe her parents are trying to be cruel–they are afraid for her. She is, in essence, making a brave, self-sacrificing decision for her parents' sake. I might do the same if someone I truly loved would forever be tormented with the idea that I was in hell.

      October 11, 2012 at 4:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • tanya

      It is just sad that she has to be a bigger person than they are–she has to be strong for them even is such a weakened and pain-filled state.
      In a way I feel sorry for her father, because he probably does truly believe in hell–he probably was brainwashed to believe in it–such a horrible, abusive thing to do to a person. But he needs to get a grip. This is his daughter. He needs to put his own fears of hell aside and be strong for his daughter. Just my opinion. Good piece by the way.

      October 11, 2012 at 5:17 pm | Report abuse |
  50. Jakobi

    Let good LORD, truth absolute decide for her, next to "HIM" are her parent's, who are we to decide for her? No need to be a hindu sanatan, filthy goon to play man god with her.

    October 11, 2012 at 4:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • waitasec


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    • cedar rapids

      "next to "HIM"

      ah we are back to captain chaos.
      and the nutter with the hindu fixation is back yet again, hi nutter.

      October 11, 2012 at 4:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lou Cypher

      Please excuse Jakobi, he won a Humboldt County Cannabis Cub qualifier for Strongest Sativa and is advancing to the Finals in Amsterdam. We're proud of him, but he's not going to be very coherent until sometime in February.

      October 11, 2012 at 4:50 pm | Report abuse |
      • Ashley

        really I'm impressed Good Job

        October 11, 2012 at 7:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • vlaughlin

      Seriously, what is your problem with Hinduism? Hindus are people, just like everyone else. If you want to try to debate me on Hindusim, go ahead, but I'll have you know I'm set to earn a BA in religious studies at the end of the year.

      October 11, 2012 at 8:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jakobi

        I do not believe in hinduism, corruption of truth absolute called religion's, you are welcome to debate any time you wish. Visit limitisthetruth.com to prepare your self for a debate.

        October 11, 2012 at 9:12 pm | Report abuse |
  51. Jakobi

    Hello every body.

    October 11, 2012 at 4:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • billybob

      You are going straight to hell, how dare you speak like this!

      October 11, 2012 at 6:50 pm | Report abuse |
  52. Charles Homme

    Prolonging death? Really?

    October 11, 2012 at 4:32 pm | Report abuse |
  53. Alicia - Nebraska

    If prayer and God saved lives and could cure any illness I wouldn't have stood back watching my grandmother waste away to nothing while cancer ate her from the inside out. Be realistic, people.

    October 11, 2012 at 4:30 pm | Report abuse |
  54. Jenn

    Not many seem to consider the fact that she feels this is something important to her parents and since they will outlive her, she is, perhaps, trying to help ease their suffering. She knows her death is inevitable and although she may want to die now, she realizes her suffering is much shorter than her parents' will be. It would be horrible to outlive your children. So very sad for all of them.

    October 11, 2012 at 4:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • tanya

      So, she is expected to carry more suffering for her parents even in her state–how incredibly unfair of them.

      October 11, 2012 at 4:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • Andrew

        unfair or not, it's the girl's choice

        though it does sound unfair in that they pretty much strong armed her into it threatening her with stories of hell.

        October 11, 2012 at 4:36 pm | Report abuse |
        • waitasec

          indeed. and they, through their fear, opened the door of fear in their daughters last thought

          October 11, 2012 at 4:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • squosh1110

      Thank you for your comment, you made the only important comment read here; This is sad for them, thank you for at least one person showing a level of compasion.

      October 11, 2012 at 4:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • waitasec

        true, very true however death/life could care less about how one feels...as these things are indifferent
        just goes to show how wishful thinking can destroy real meaning,

        October 11, 2012 at 4:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Fr Thomas, the doubter

      What, you never just gave in and agreed with your parents to stop the constant arguing? You were merely trapped in the living room and could have walked away. She is stuck in a bed in the hospital.

      October 11, 2012 at 7:12 pm | Report abuse |
  55. Jeff Cox

    Why is this news? I thought changing her mind was a woman's prerogative.

    October 11, 2012 at 4:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • waitasec

      apparently the fear of this idea of hell helped her change her mind.

      what a dangerous idea, the idea of hell sucks the meaning of our limited time we have with our loved ones and reduces it to fear

      October 11, 2012 at 4:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Andrew

      this is news because the story started out that the girl asked for the doctors to unplug her, then the parents sued over the right to her life support, so it was a story about the legal rights over your own healthcare. this is just the end result to the story.

      October 11, 2012 at 4:37 pm | Report abuse |
  56. Biggirlpants

    I have two close relatives with terminal cancer and less then 3 months left, another undergoing chemo. If I and they pray hard enough and believe, they will be cured. That is what I am getting from some posters. I wish it were that simple. I wouldn't have watched my grandmother waste away and die in agony when I was a child. Some of my earliest memories are of being in the kitchen unseen and hearing Grandma talk about how she wished she could just die and stop this misery. If there reallyn is a god, shouldn't an innocent child's prayers save lives! I miss Grammy.

    October 11, 2012 at 3:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • cedar rapids

      Thats where they have all the bases covered.
      If somehow the disease goes away then its a miracle, god is great, look what god can do.
      If the disease kills them then its god's plan, god moves in mysterious ways, theres a reason for it, etc

      October 11, 2012 at 3:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • MrsFizzy

      There may be a God who created everything but then that same God created life and death, and diseases, and intelligence so that maybe diseases can be cured – but sometimes they can't. You can take joy in your happy memories of your Grandmother, or be bitter that she died and your prayers weren't answered. Either way it makes no difference except to how you feel.

      October 11, 2012 at 4:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lester Singleton

      Christian or no some other religion, whoever told you that your prayers for healing are guaranteed to be answered is completely off base. Since when do any of us ever know what we really want?

      October 11, 2012 at 4:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Carla

      God made man to live forever and because he gave us free will, not to live like puppets, man chose to disobey God in paradise so God told them from that day forward it is appointed once for a man to die.. Because of sin we have death. God decided to let man run his own life to see how far he would get without him. Because of all the things that we have done to the earth, pollution, cancer agents in pesticides, illegal drugs, drinking too much, smoking tobacco, and all of the other BAD choices man makes is the reason for all of the death and destruction of our own existence. God knew that we as humans can not make the right choices for ourselves. That is why he sent his son Jesus Christ to bear our sins on his shoulders at the cross. If we believe that he did this and rose on the third day, we can gain eternal life again but, after the first appointed death due to original sin in the beginning. God does not kill people, he does not cause diseases, man has brought that on himself by wrong choices. God stepped aside in the beginning to allow us free choice to live our lives our way.. That is why we have bad things in our lives.

      October 11, 2012 at 5:17 pm | Report abuse |
  57. MashaSobaka

    I'm definitely not in the best position to judge, but my immediate response to this is "What horrible parents." Who tells their daughter something like that when she's suffering so horribly? If God wants to keep her alive when she takes herself off the machines, then he will keep himself alive. He can defy the laws of basic physics, right? Why not this? A perfect example of how religion can give people the tools they need to express their hateful, horrible natures. I hope this woman once again finds the courage she needs to end her life with dignity.

    October 11, 2012 at 3:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • karlotious

      When is the last time you saw anything defy the laws of physics? Um you didnt....

      October 11, 2012 at 3:49 pm | Report abuse |
      • It's All Mythology

        Last time I checked the existence of Black Holes defied the known laws of physics. On a more earthly note, Bumblebee flight does too.

        October 11, 2012 at 4:23 pm | Report abuse |
        • cedar rapids

          actually the mythology there is in both your statements.
          Black holes do not defy the laws of physics, and bumble bees do not defy the law of aerodynamics either.

          October 11, 2012 at 4:36 pm | Report abuse |
        • i am a moron

          correct, bumblebees and other insects do follow aerodynamics. SURPRISE! You mean reynolds number, viscosity, and vortex shedding are real things and allow insects to create more lift than simple Prandtl lifting-line theory would predict? No way!

          October 11, 2012 at 4:57 pm | Report abuse |
        • Chris

          But can a bumble bee defy a black hole? Think, grasshopper, before you type.

          October 11, 2012 at 5:57 pm | Report abuse |
  58. tanya

    That is how Jesus healed people–he hooked them up while paralyzed to ventilators saying you will suffer till the bitter end.

    October 11, 2012 at 3:47 pm | Report abuse |
  59. david williams

    The Catholic Church is quite clear that removing artificial life support is permissable (we might say with the other mailer, "putting the patient in God's hands")

    October 11, 2012 at 3:42 pm | Report abuse |
  60. jez

    I can't believe how stupid religion makes people. Her parents think she will "go to hell" (you know – the one "below"), if she ends her life before her expected two weeks of living hell.. Really???? And what will she do in "hell" (the one "below")? Tap dance with the red guy with the pitchfork and pointy tail who runs the joint?? How stupid can people be?!

    October 11, 2012 at 3:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kim

      Her parents are not stupid, they love her and are showing her the only way they know. Actually, I blame the medical system that placed this poor woman with terminal brain cancer on a machine to begin with - they knew she would never survive. And know the parents are the bad guys in the situation.

      I have been an ICU nurse and a cancer nurse and have seen these situations time and again – with Christians, Jew, Muslims, and atheists. Very few people are realistic today.

      October 11, 2012 at 3:48 pm | Report abuse |
      • karlotious

        atheists are always realistic...

        October 11, 2012 at 3:51 pm | Report abuse |
        • Jen

          Atheists are idiots. They just don't know it yet...but when their time comes they'll know it too.

          October 11, 2012 at 4:00 pm | Report abuse |
        • karlotious

          bwhahaha Jen please answer this for me: Statistically the smartest people in the world are more inclined to be without religion while 40% of the lowest IQ believe wholeheartedly without question in a god... So I'm confused you call us idiots yet we are the most educated group of non-believers.... Anyone who believes a snake can talk or an ark can hold every animal is not exactly at liberty to discuss intelligence.

          October 11, 2012 at 4:09 pm | Report abuse |
        • why delay

          @ Jen – No, atheists won't know it... we'll just be dead and rotting, nothing more, nothing less. When religious folk die, they won't know that they've wasted so much time praying to a non-existent god during their one shot at life, because they'll be dead, too, no after life.

          October 11, 2012 at 4:09 pm | Report abuse |
        • MrsFizzy

          Somehow you don't sound very "Christian" to me, Jen...

          October 11, 2012 at 4:13 pm | Report abuse |
        • Wes

          Jen is a strict believer in Pascal's Wager. She's not truly a believer.

          October 11, 2012 at 4:22 pm | Report abuse |
        • waitasec

          to jen:
          what is is so idiotic about thinking for ones self?
          is your god that insecure that he would create beings capable of thinking and then uses that ability against them...?

          now that is idiotic.

          October 11, 2012 at 4:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • SkepticalOne

        Her parents are stupid. If they really believe their all powerful God is going to fix her, take her off the machines and let him give it his best shot.

        October 11, 2012 at 4:31 pm | Report abuse |
        • waitasec

          maybe it's because they are skeptical of that ever happening.

          October 11, 2012 at 4:35 pm | Report abuse |
      • Elspeth

        @karlotious I have a "genius" IQ and I am a devout Christian. I realize this is anecdotal deviance but this fact places me in the 60% by your statistic...or rather the MAJORITY.

        STFU already with the "smart people don't believe in God, only dumb people do" because it is simply something that arrogant people tell themselves to feel better when things go bump in the night and they can't pray about it.

        October 11, 2012 at 4:31 pm | Report abuse |
        • Elspeth

          BTW, I think her parents were ignorant, arrogant, HARMFUL, mean spirited fools for condemning their daughter to hell for her making the decision to allow God and nature to take a natural course. I have a feeling that absent a heartfelt confession of this sin to God, mom and dad are in for a rude awakening when they meet their own maker.

          October 11, 2012 at 4:34 pm | Report abuse |
        • Mongo23

          I have to believe that you are, as you say, a smart Christian. But on the rare occasions that I have met someone that I consider really smart, and who claims to believe, I usually think they are faking their faith. That could just be my atheistic arrogance.
          I'm not familiar with the Christian acronym STFU.

          October 11, 2012 at 11:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • Gigi915

        Yes you are right, by putting this woman on the machine, the doctors gave her parents hope, it may seems sellfish to all of us what the parents did, but watching your child die cannot be easy. The doctors should have let nature take it's course in the 1st place. No God does not allow suffering and I don't think He will see it as suicide to unplug the machine, like the parents want her beleive. But also I do understand as parents where they maybe coming from. My father forgot that he left my son with his sister in law once and told me that he dropped him off with me, not knowing where my son was for an hour and I almost went crazy. Imagine these people knowing that for sure they will lose their daughter.

        October 11, 2012 at 5:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • TRACY

      No parent wants their child to die...... yes she is suffering and yes it is probably hell on earth but they obviously they want her to fight and try to over come this death sentence given to her by her doctors. This has nothing to do with going to hell....it has to do with parents trying to save their child. If it was my child I would want them to fight. We have technology to help us live longer, I think we should use it to its full extent. What if they find a cure for tomorrow or 6 months from now, we just don't know the future. Please don't judge her parents!!!!

      October 11, 2012 at 4:03 pm | Report abuse |
      • tanya

        Tracy–It is more about the parents trying to control, their daughter is not going to be cured from brain cancer and a paralyzing stroke. It truly is not fair of them to pressure her into "fighting"–it is simply them imposing their will onto her and it is incredibly selfish.

        October 11, 2012 at 4:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • Elspeth

        @Tracy, they told a court, under penalty of perjury, that their daughter WOULD go to HELL if she was allowed to be taken off life support. Therefore, from their perspective it is exactly about the daughter going to hell...or they told one heck of a whopper to the judges and committed a number of criminal acts (lying to a judge is a felony in all 50 states).

        Do they believe in their heart that their daughter will go to hell? Only they and God know the truth of that. But they have been telling their daughter and the world this, and we have the right to believe them at face value.

        No WHERE in the Bible does it speak of removing artificial life support from someone dying of an incurable disease as being a sin let alone a sure ticket to hell. The Bible doesn't give direction, clear or otherwise, on this issue. Daddy, a "man of the cloth" is making it up as he goes along, and is torturing his daughter in the process.

        This woman told her court appointed lawyer that she chose to stay on life support to MAKE PEACE with her family before she dies, not that she suddenly believes what her father is preaching. She has become the parent and they the scared little children afraid of life after she dies. Yes, its awful to bury a child, even a 28 year old child, but lots of parents do it and few spend weeks before the child dies terrifying them that they will burn in hell for all eternity if they don't do exactly what mummy and daddy tell them to do. In the cases where mummy and daddy do those things we call the parents MONSTERS and Child ABUSERS and send them to prison.

        No one thing these parents did was justified, not one thing.

        October 11, 2012 at 4:42 pm | Report abuse |
  61. georgethree33

    "Doctors say ... keeping the machines on is only prolonging her death."

    I don't know about you but – NOT dying – that's sorta the secret to living! Life what happens as we attempt to avoid death as long as possible. Avoiding death is a major component of living! So how is my struggle to not die on a daily basis any different! 😉

    October 11, 2012 at 3:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • TonyInNYC

      Someone who is terminally ill and possibly facing increasing pain as lays attached to machines on a hospital bed while her condition deteriorates may view a prolongation of her life for a few more days or weeks differently than, for example, how you might view prolonging your life by waiting on a street corner for the light to say "Walk" on a beautiful fall day.

      October 11, 2012 at 3:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • waitasec

      what a disgusting comparison.

      October 11, 2012 at 4:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Elspeth

      Truly you are sick and twisted. TERMINAL CANCER is PAINFUL. This cancer is in her brain. The brain is the part of the body that sense pain. When certain parts of hte brain are damaged, it is NOT possible to control pain.

      In other words, as her cancer progresses, and it may be possible that she is already there, NO AMOUNT OF PAIN MEDICATION WILL CONTROL HER PAIN.

      Imagine lighting your hand on fire and not being able to put the fire out...that it a SMALL amount of the pain this woman is facing and 100% of it is occurring inside of her head, every day, every night, all day, all night, awake, asleep, without end...until she dies.

      Any person insisting that another person live in that kind of pain is, to put it plainly, a MONSTER.

      October 11, 2012 at 4:48 pm | Report abuse |
      • Lester Singleton

        Agree 150%

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  62. JanetMermaid

    How is allowing nature to take its course "committing suicide"? Seems to me that forced life via tubes and machines is "defying god" WAY more than disconnecting everything and allowing death to happen naturally. Their thinking is f-ed up.

    October 11, 2012 at 3:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • MrsFizzy

      Ding-ding-ding! We have a winner. Surely letting nature take its course would be "God's way"..? If a divine intervention doesn't take place then why don't they just resign themselves to it being "God's will"? Seen the same contradictory behavior in some deeply religious in-laws who couldn't conceive for a couple of years – they went the whole in-vitro route and forced nature instead of keeping trying or adopting – didn't think maybe God was trying to tell them something??

      October 11, 2012 at 4:18 pm | Report abuse |
      • anonymous

        There's nothing wrong with a healthy, infertile, christian couple undergoing IVF after much prayer and contemplation. I think sometimes God wants us to help ourselves too with the talent He has given His children. Please do not judge something if you personally haven't walked that path.

        October 11, 2012 at 4:35 pm | Report abuse |
        • cedar rapids

          funny then that so many christian groups want to bring in laws that would effectively shut down IVF clinics.

          October 11, 2012 at 4:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • Elspeth

        Wow! you're an uncaring biatch now aren't you. To compare the desire to have a child of one's own body with a person's right to die. Sheesh. Go get a life.

        October 11, 2012 at 4:52 pm | Report abuse |
  63. Chris

    As a veterinarian, I have always appreciated the value of euthanasia. Watching people die terribly painful deaths when they are terminally ill and want to die is awful– I wish human euthanasia was as acceptable as pet euthanasia.

    October 11, 2012 at 3:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • JanetMermaid

      So true! At the end my mother had SEVENTEEN tubes running in and out of her body. It is sad that we cannot be as humane with ourselves as we are with our animals.

      October 11, 2012 at 3:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • tanya

      I agree Chris. Noone would think of treating an animal–for example–a dog–the way this girl is being treated–hooking it up while paralyzed to a ventilator while suffering extreme pain. It would be considered extremely cruel. But with people it is OK.

      October 11, 2012 at 3:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Confused

      How many Cats and Dogs ask to be put down?

      October 11, 2012 at 4:03 pm | Report abuse |
      • OneTruth

        How any pets ask to be put on life-support?

        October 11, 2012 at 4:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Elspeth

      Ok Chris, I respect veterinarians immensely, got a few in the family...way more training that human medicine...way smarter too...but...I am a bit squeamish about comparing pet euthanasia with human euthanasia.

      See, when we put a pet to sleep they are not ALWAYS terminal. Many times they are just old and in pain and there are not a lot of good, $$$ friendly, ways to manage aging in our pets. Plus, as another comment points out, someone else is making the decision, not the animal itself.

      This is why human euthanasia is not generally accepted. Who decides? On what basis? Are we going to have some government panel deciding that everyone diagnosed with pancreatic cancer will be euthanized, for their own good, after the first failed chemo round? What about parents deciding for minor children? Adult children? Adult children deciding for elderly parents because its too $$$ to care for them...and they are in pain?

      From my perspective it is ONLY acceptable when someone who is going to die in the short term asks themselves and under no other circumstances. Similar to the way Oregon and Washington have done. Otherwise money and "the burden to family and society" takes over and people who shouldn't die inevitably will.

      October 11, 2012 at 5:00 pm | Report abuse |
  64. Tony

    I have already told my kids, let me go. Dont waste your tears,time and money.God has already given me everything a man could ever want in this life.

    October 11, 2012 at 3:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • casper

      well said!

      October 11, 2012 at 3:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • keith


      October 11, 2012 at 3:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jerome Horowitz

      It seems so do your kids

      October 11, 2012 at 5:15 pm | Report abuse |
  65. Jamie

    An unfortunate example of how the delusional effect religion has on people. Her insensitive parents are not even letting their daughter die with dignity. Real nice. Stupid religious nuts. Makes me sick.

    October 11, 2012 at 3:27 pm | Report abuse |
  66. tanya

    This just makes me sick! The mercy that would be shown an animal is denied people in such intense suffering who are going to die very soon anyway. And it is all in the name of "you will go to hell"–well, here's a newsflash–the person already is in hell!!! This father should care more about his daughter's wishes and helping her end her suffering than acting like he knows what is right like he knows the mind of God. In my opinion, it is sadistic when people insist–oh no, a doctor can not assist someone to help them peacefully end their suffering, they must suffer every last second till the very end. Yeah, I'm sure that's what God would want.

    October 11, 2012 at 3:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Poltergiest

      She could have, she won the right in court, but she didn't. And this isn't about assisted suicide.

      October 11, 2012 at 3:35 pm | Report abuse |
      • tanya

        Poltergeist, they pressured her and pressured her (not to mention trying to take control of her life decisions in court)–that is why she changed her mind. You are right–it is not about assisted suicide–rather removing the ventilator–I am not a doctor but probably would be more humane if they did give her a drug rather than let her take minutes to die from not having the ventilator but we don't let people die with dignity in this society. Rather, we just torture them–this girl is simply being tortured by these machines keeping her "alive". Strange that we treat pets with more compassion.

        October 11, 2012 at 3:41 pm | Report abuse |
      • Poltergiest

        Tanya, people pressure people for to make descions all the time. But it's ultimately up to them to decide what to do. That is free will. I don't agree with their definition of suicide in this case. But I'm not sure what you would want to do about this other isolate her from her parents on her death bed. She's made her choice and I hope she finds peace in it.

        I hope those parents are also able to come to terms with their loss as well. It's a sad story all around, but not one for making a euthinasia case.

        October 11, 2012 at 5:21 pm | Report abuse |
  67. Julieann

    Turning off machines isn't committing suicide, it is simply declining to be kept alive by artificial means. Without the machines, she would die naturally. I believe God wants us to live as close to our natural state as possible. I believe that God's will would be done. If it's God's will that she live, turning off the machines won't matter, because she would continue to live without them.

    October 11, 2012 at 3:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Elspeth

      So...you you live in the forest (or desert) without the benefit of a commercially made dwelling...make all of your own clothing...hunt or grow all your own food...have no modern technology...don't use modern medicine...???

      Oh wait you posted to CNN.com...clearly you don't live as close to nature as possible because if you did we wouldn't have to hear from you or listen to your drivel

      October 11, 2012 at 5:04 pm | Report abuse |
  68. waitasec

    this makes absolutely no sense at all.. if there is a god and if this god created the consequence for us to die, then let her die...keeping her alive is going against this supposed god's will of creating us to die.

    October 11, 2012 at 3:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • why delay

      Right! And why delay the inevitable? For the religious folk who say heaven is such a wonderful place, why are they delaying in getting their daughter there? They should be celebrating and asking the daughter to take them with her to the wonderful playground in the sky!

      October 11, 2012 at 3:37 pm | Report abuse |
  69. JonathanL

    If she became an Athiest she wouldn't have to worry. There is no threat from a barbaric jealous omnipotent malle warrior Biblical God who has a long history (multi-thousand year) of mass murder, no hell no heaven, just things the way they are. If you don't lke them lump them. Life is only worth living as long as it is worth living. What can I say. Like everything in this universe, the condition is conditional. Sad. but sometimes you don't have any choices which are 100% certain to have a perfect outcome.

    October 11, 2012 at 3:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mohammad A Dar

      Atheism is hinduism, denial of truth absolute GOD, essence of existence, Why should she deny "HIM" fact of life, hindu, ignorant. visit truthisthelimit.com to learn more.

      October 11, 2012 at 3:22 pm | Report abuse |
      • Amniculi

        Hey! You changed your name!

        October 11, 2012 at 3:25 pm | Report abuse |
        • cedar rapids

          but he is still just as nutty as ever

          October 11, 2012 at 3:28 pm | Report abuse |
      • cedar rapids

        'Why should she deny "HIM" '

        you mean captain chaos?

        October 11, 2012 at 3:26 pm | Report abuse |
      • Seraphim01


        October 11, 2012 at 3:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • JC-VA

      I get your point, but just because an Atheist says or believe there is no God, that doesn't make it true.... What if after we all die it happened to be true that after all there was a God... I ask myself that question everyday... so I live my life the way I want, believing in what I want whether you or anyone else believes I'm wrong.... it's call freedom...

      October 11, 2012 at 3:31 pm | Report abuse |
      • cedar rapids

        "so I live my life the way I want, believing in what I want whether you or anyone else believes I'm wrong.... it's call freedom..."

        unfortunately once believers get into large enough groups they then decide they need to tell others how to live their lives, such as bills blocking gay marriage, etc.....its called religion.

        October 11, 2012 at 3:49 pm | Report abuse |
      • karlotious

        Believing in something with no evidence, on the basis of fear, is the ultimate moronic thought.

        October 11, 2012 at 3:54 pm | Report abuse |
        • Jen

          EXACTLY!!! That's the definition of Atheism!!!!

          Jesus is a documented, real life, historical person.

          October 11, 2012 at 4:04 pm | Report abuse |
        • karlotious

          Jesus was a common name during the time. the fact that a 20,000 sqft complex houses what should be the complete bible and is disregarded on the basis of contradictions should tell you something. Look up the life of Horus and see how similar their lives apparently were. Just so you know Horus came before Jesus...

          October 11, 2012 at 4:12 pm | Report abuse |
        • cedar rapids

          "Jesus is a documented, real life, historical person."

          well thats nice and all but there is a huge leap between someone with the name jesus existing and someone walking on water, bringing people back from the dead or coming back to life themselves.

          October 11, 2012 at 4:41 pm | Report abuse |
        • Elspeth

          ever seen a proton? How about another planet? DNA?

          I bet that the answer to each of those is a resounding NO. You accept that those things exist because other people have and have made reports about them.

          I claim they do not exist. I claim that no human has ever walked the moon or in space and that NASA has engage in a tremendous hoax.

          Why, because I have not personally experienced it myself. So I can deny the events do to lack of personal experience.

          I have no FAITH that the US Government, a government lacking ethics and ready to lie to the public over trivial matters (Benghazi was a terrorist attack not a riot...why lie to the public when it was apparent to everyone...why lie to the public when WH spokespersons were even saying it was a terrorist attack?)

          Atheists deny the existence of God, any God, because they have no evidence of His existence. They point to the lack of proof as evidence of non-existence. But there are numerous people over the years that have experienced God and made reports of those experiences,

          Why are their reports any less valid than the reports of the discovery of the quark? Or a planet in a solar system 100 million light years away?

          Because they cannot be peer-reviewed? Most of the social sciences (psychology and sociology) cannot be validly peer-reviewed because the whole body of that scientific field relies on examining the human experience and upon self reporting. Very little, if anything, in psychology and sociology can be verified by technology.

          Atheists deny God from lack of personal experience and laugh at the rest of the world for accepting what some would say is ridiculous for the scientifically minded to accept because they haven't personally experienced much either...

          All you science minded folks expect the rest of the world to accept your science on faith but you laugh at the religious of the world for accepting God on faith.

          As a faithful Christian AND a scientist (astrophysics), I can tell you that FAITH is required to cross the street and that Atheism is as much a religion as Judaism.

          Get off your high horse.

          October 11, 2012 at 5:19 pm | Report abuse |
      • Eric

        That's called Pascal's wager is a very flawed argument. Some of the rebuttals: 1) The chances you picked out the correct god out of the many tens of thousands mankind has dreamed up so far is like winning the lottery 2) Why would a god prefer lemming sheeple over people who think for themselves? 3) Assuming #2 is not true, wouldn't an omniscient god know you were just hedging your bets?

        October 11, 2012 at 4:19 pm | Report abuse |
        • Elspeth

          Eric, how do you know that all the multitudes of gods are not one God? Hmmm? An all powerful being wouldn't be very powerful if it couldn't change form, now would it?

          October 11, 2012 at 5:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • Julieann

      Why is it we always hear about the wars and murders caused by religious people in history but we never hear about the atrocities caused by athiests? I'm sure there were a few....

      October 11, 2012 at 3:33 pm | Report abuse |
      • jez

        What a stupid comment.

        October 11, 2012 at 3:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • karlotious

        because atheists have yet to cause such atrocities. If you begin your reply with stalin, hitler, etc i suggest you pick up a book because you are sorely mistaken. Atheists do not care about what you believe we want you to stop pushing it down our throats.

        October 11, 2012 at 3:56 pm | Report abuse |
        • Elspeth

          in other words karlotious "nah nah nah nah I can't hear you nah nah nah nah"

          How very mature.

          Yeah sure, the atheists are peace makers and have no blood on their hands...yup...completely innocent creatures those atheists. You don't want Mao, Stalin, and Hitler named...fine...how about:

          Than Shwe
          Kim Jon II (or his son)
          anyone remember Jeffrey Dahmer, anyone????
          Maybe you'll forgive me for pointing out that Jim Jones was an atheist too.

          Like for me to go on?


          Jared Lee Loughner murdered 6 on January 8, 2011 including a 9 year old girl and a federal judge and attempted to kill a US Congresswoman and 14 others.

          So, tell me again how non-violent and peaceful all you atheists are...

          October 11, 2012 at 5:54 pm | Report abuse |
  70. SBKGuy

    Poltergeist – you obviously dont know what signing a "medical proxy" means do you? You keep saying she can change her mind at anytime and it is just her parents "opinion during visiting hours"

    She signed her medical proxy (medical version of power of attorney) over to her father, she is no longer able to make any medical decisions for herself he is in complete control.

    Know what you are talking about before posting...

    October 11, 2012 at 3:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • Poltergiest

      No she won the right to make a desicion after a law suit. In other words, she made a choice. Now I don't hear anything from her saying she still wants to die, so you're simply fabricating an issue at this point.

      She signed over proxy to her dad, by choice. Are you trying to deny she has that right or that she was incompentent and unable to understand exactly what she was doing?

      October 11, 2012 at 3:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • Elspeth

      SBKguy, it depends entirely upon what that medical proxy says. Most medical proxys only go into effect when the person has been declared unable to make their own medical decisions. She has been determined by several courts and all of her doctors to be mentally sound. Meaning that she retains the right to make her own medical decisions. The medical proxy would only become effective once she loses consciousness.

      She could have signed one that went into effect immediately, however, medical proxies are never irrevocable. As long as she remains mentally sound she can still override her parents.

      So...you are technically not correct.

      October 11, 2012 at 5:59 pm | Report abuse |
  71. Sick of false Gods

    So instead of allowing her to die with dignity, they are condemning her to suffer because of _their_ religious beliefs, not her own beliefs.

    October 11, 2012 at 3:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Poltergiest

      She made the choice, she is mentaly competent, and those wishes are being carried out. What her parents talked about are irrelevant to the choice she makes of her own free will. I see no problem here.

      October 11, 2012 at 3:13 pm | Report abuse |
  72. Slappy_McGiggles

    My aunt died of brain cancer and its horrible way to go. Keeping her alive is just sadistic.

    October 11, 2012 at 3:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • JonathanL

      My 86 year old aunt who had terminal cancer, and then broke her ribs on an x-ray machine, gathered her family together and injected herself with Morphine and had one last wonderful, painless, and happy afternoon with her children. Any merciful god would have allowed this, and because she was such a wonderful person in life and while dying and death, I am sure she would not be in any kind of spiritual torment afterwords. "don't commit suicide" is a good rule of thumb, and should not be considered a first choice solution when life gets the better of you. But please be sensible and allow for exceptions.

      October 11, 2012 at 3:16 pm | Report abuse |
  73. Diane

    Death is not FINAL, and for those who are educated and evolved enough, they will understand. There is no such thing as "Hell" – the closest we come to a Hell is living here on Earth. Sure this will evoke many crazy responses – but let's all be as advanced as we should be.....This woman chooses "Life" – not life as it is here on this Earth, but a better, healthier & more perfect Life. Let Her Be.....

    October 11, 2012 at 3:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Amniculi

      Aaaand you know this how?

      October 11, 2012 at 3:06 pm | Report abuse |
      • 2/8

        Not everyone's as ignorant as you. There's plenty of people who've been clinically dead and say yes, there is something there. Just because YOU haven't experienced it doesn't mean squat. Just keep quiet and let people believe what they want.

        October 11, 2012 at 3:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • Alaska

        Sounds reasonable to me, what are dreams for.

        October 11, 2012 at 3:13 pm | Report abuse |
      • Amniculi

        She can believe whatever she wants. I was just asking how she knew such things to be true. If you want to believe that neurons firing off in a dying brain is an afterlife, that's your problem.

        October 11, 2012 at 3:22 pm | Report abuse |
      • Canderson

        She knows the same way you are so sure there is an eternal fire that you are so afraid of burning on forever.

        October 11, 2012 at 3:26 pm | Report abuse |
        • Amniculi

          Negative, Ghostrider, the pattern is full. Unlike you, I don't need the fear of fire and eternal torture to prod me in to leading a good and productive life. I will live my life to the fullest, here and now, and when it is time for me to die I will be happy knowing that my life was worthwhile, not just a stopping point on the way to an imaginary place in the clouds.

          October 11, 2012 at 3:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Canderson

      Very well said. Hell and the devil are ancient ways the churches controlled people. Once we die, there is no physical body. It should be obvious to any thinking person that to live forever knowing you hated others based on taking advantage of them, stealing, lying, being a bigot or prejudice should be the greatest of all "hell"... not fire which cannot be felt once the body is gone.

      October 11, 2012 at 3:23 pm | Report abuse |
  74. Jon

    Another victory for religious insanity.

    Typical religious ideology: Let the girl with terminal brain cancer suffer some more. The more you suffer, the better. And THEN, you get to go up to heaven, up in the clouds, with dancing angels, and lollipops.

    October 11, 2012 at 3:02 pm | Report abuse |
  75. Alaska

    So they want their daughter to suffer more, unforgiving parents, how lame.

    October 11, 2012 at 3:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Amber West

      Impressive how you managed to determine the nefarious agenda behind the parents' action. I'm sure "want their daughter to suffer" is exactly the theme they were going for.

      October 11, 2012 at 3:28 pm | Report abuse |
  76. Amniculi

    The way I see it, your life is your property. If you want to end your life, that should be your right. If I get a terminal disease my life is damn sure going to end on my terms, not the disease's.

    October 11, 2012 at 2:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Amniculi

      Furthermore, if you are physically incapable of taking your own life you should be allowed to ask your doctor or a friend to do it for you as long as there is legal paperwork in place saying that it is your decision.

      October 11, 2012 at 3:04 pm | Report abuse |
  77. Seth Hill

    God is calling this woman home, but her parents and doctors are trying to go against God's will. They are anti-religious people.

    October 11, 2012 at 2:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • Amber West

      Or maybe they're just afraid to lose their little girl.

      October 11, 2012 at 3:02 pm | Report abuse |
      • Alaska

        "Afraid to lose their little girl",well wouldn't that be a selfish act. And to make her suffer more because of it.

        October 11, 2012 at 3:08 pm | Report abuse |
        • Amber West

          Yep. definitely selfish. But pretty understandable. She's going to die and her parents are afraid. Not only are they losing their baby, but they fear she won't have eternal salvation.

          October 11, 2012 at 3:25 pm | Report abuse |
      • Canderson

        Amber.. to me, the parents may indeed be afraid of losing their little girl... but very selfish and cruel in allowing her suffer and suffer and suffer.

        October 11, 2012 at 3:28 pm | Report abuse |
        • Amber West

          Like I said, selfish yes. Nefarious? Irreligious? Not really. Just scared people having to deal with the worst scenario in the world.

          October 11, 2012 at 3:30 pm | Report abuse |
  78. thethirdorder

    Sorry, but this is one case where the state needs to step in. Her father is obviously crazy and is only prolonging her suffering. She is not even a human being to him.....notice how he says "this woman" instead of "my daughter". This guy is a psycho and is obviously not mentally competent to be anyone's medical proxy.

    October 11, 2012 at 2:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Poltergiest

      What does the state need to do? Override her desicion and kill her anyways?

      October 11, 2012 at 2:58 pm | Report abuse |
  79. Poltergiest

    There's no debate. The moment she choses to turn off the machine she can request to do so. So what are we debating, whether a persons parents can give an opinion to their daughter based on their beliefs during visiting hours?

    It sounds like the parents are in the grief stage of denial, unable to accept their daughter is terminal and afraid that if they lose her they might lose some slim hope she recovers. So when she says she wants to die, what would you expect those parents to do than try to convince her otherwise?

    Regardless the machines can be turned off should she change her mind. But if she's showing uncertainty about what she's going to do only after a talk, then she may be just as confused as her parents. This is the end of her life and she has to come to terms with it in her own time. I'm not sure why people are so concerned with what a terminal cancer patient chose to do.

    I hope, whatever desicion she ultimately decides brings her peace in the end. And thats all that matters.

    October 11, 2012 at 2:52 pm | Report abuse |
  80. QS

    How is it suicide if you simply let nature take its natural course? The machines keeping her alive are a marvel of technology and of our medical ingenuity....but they cannot stop the inevitable.

    October 11, 2012 at 2:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • eilisartis

      Exactly what I would say. My sister and I chose to remove life support from our brother who had had 2 heart attacks and a stroke over the course of 2 days. The neurologist said that he was brain dead. The only course of action was to sign a DNR and shut off the machines. It was time to let go.

      October 11, 2012 at 8:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • alumette

      Exactly. I see this woman changing her mind because she is afraid of death. No miracle drug or procedure will change her fate and it would make sense to stop interventions. It is not suicide, but allowing the course of nature, without interfering. I am not familiar with the medical system in Japan but I would guess, it would be expensive to keep someone on life support. It is in the US and therefore something to consider. I myself would never want to be on life support. I am DNR. We see too many families in financial ruin because a relative's "treatments" may accumulate to amounts they cannot pay....to no avail. These people die anyway.

      October 17, 2012 at 7:36 pm | Report abuse |
      • alumette

        Sorry...I misread the article. I thought she was changing her mind. It's her parents who won't let her go. That is too sad. She made a mistake when she signed a release to her parents. She should have had a living will, stating her desires. As an adult she would have had no problem getting off life support. Now, in her condition, someone would contest the validity of her judgment. She is screwed. Too bad her parents do not see it that way. Some parents have the ability to be selfish and decide issues they should respect and not dictate. I am very sorry for her misery and I feel anger towards her parents.

        October 17, 2012 at 7:43 pm | Report abuse |
  81. Weehakwen

    Unfortunate that her own parents prolong her death with their senseless assertions. Grace made a decision and was bullied into submission. This happens in other religions as well. I hope she leaves this world pain free.

    October 11, 2012 at 2:48 pm | Report abuse |
  82. Margaret

    Sometimes it is more important to have some sort of control. Now that the court says she can have the tubes removed if she wants, she has an option. It gives her one thing she can have a choice. If she chooses to go on, then wish her well, but should she choose to remove the tubes then give her peace.

    October 11, 2012 at 2:47 pm | Report abuse |
  83. Daniel

    Sounds like selfish and stupid parents. This is far from living in god's eyes even if it/he/she was real. The only thing real is suffering

    October 11, 2012 at 2:47 pm | Report abuse |
  84. Larry

    Let's stop discussing these issues until God appears on Leno to set the record straight.

    October 11, 2012 at 2:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tom Hartman

      God set the record straight a long time ago, it's called the Bible, and there is no statement in the Bible that says you will go to hell if you commit suicide.

      October 11, 2012 at 2:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • cedar rapids

        "God set the record straight a long time ago, it's called the Bible"

        ah so who is right then? catholics, protestants, mormons? only 1 can be so which is it?

        October 11, 2012 at 3:19 pm | Report abuse |
        • alumette

          To want to get off life support is a fair and natural request. Life support can be helpful when there is hope of recovery, but if there is none, there is absolutely no reason to prolong misery for the sake of quantity. I think it is wise to leave God out of it.

          October 17, 2012 at 7:48 pm | Report abuse |
      • Michael

        If God wrote the Bible, why is it so full of errors? Google it, and you'll see that I'm right. The Bible is just a bunch of superstitions, myths, and dogmatic personal opinions, written by a bunch of morons with corncobs up their a**es.

        October 11, 2012 at 3:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • Just Me

      Tom Hartman – Why would a Christian even consider suicide when we know that God says, "THOU SHALL NOT KILL"?

      October 11, 2012 at 3:02 pm | Report abuse |
  85. LarryB

    Why is it so horrible if people are allowed to decide to die, rather having to endure relentless physical pain with no real hope of recovery? When our pets are ailing like this, we "put them out of their misery" and consider it "humane" – and most everyone will think we've done the right thing.
    But we are supposedly forbidden to be so "humane" to actual humans? Insanity....

    October 11, 2012 at 2:45 pm | Report abuse |
  86. Cartman42

    If the technology was developed to keep a person's living brain alive indefinitely in a jar, would it be suicide to not want your brain in a jar? Assume your brain would function as normal and you would be alert and aware of your condition, and be able to communicate.

    October 11, 2012 at 2:38 pm | Report abuse |
  87. sam

    I thought cancer was god's way of branding sinners condemned to hell. Doesn't really matter what she does now. She already has her ticket punched.

    October 11, 2012 at 2:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Yirmiyahu

      Why did you think that?

      October 11, 2012 at 2:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • dLYNN

      SAM – Shame on you for posting such an ignorant thing. Please post proof from the Holy Bible, the inerrant word of God that, " cancer was god's way of branding sinners condemned to hell. Doesn't really matter what she does now. She already has her ticket punched." You are wrong. The only way to go to hell is to deny Christ. If you can't find it in the Holy Bible, please be quiet and don't hurt and frighten people with such ignorant comments.

      October 11, 2012 at 2:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Just Me

      sam – There is NO disease that condemns anyone to hell. SIN is what condemns the person to hell.

      October 11, 2012 at 2:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • michypoo

      If you really think that, you are not human.

      October 11, 2012 at 2:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Not nice

      What a terrible thing to say!!

      October 11, 2012 at 2:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • allanhowls

      To those who don't understand why Sam would say that, start with the people in your own community who have declared AIDS, hurricanes, and 9/11 to be God's judgment on sinners. After all, there's nothing that makes a Christian happier than condemning someone else. That's why I left the faith: there are no more spiteful and hateful people than those you find smiling in the pews on Sunday.

      October 11, 2012 at 2:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • MPLH89

        allanhowls – The people that say this are not part of my community, beyond being part of the larger "American community." Their beliefs are not mine and are not those of the majority of mainline Christian faith doctrines. Generalizations are rarely useful in discourse.

        October 11, 2012 at 3:21 pm | Report abuse |
        • John Q.

          Generalizations however are created through truth. May not be accurate, but they're usually close...

          October 11, 2012 at 4:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • Just Me

      allanhowls – People live God because they can't handle truth or allow people to get the best of them, making them weak minded.

      sam, on the other hand, isn't even a Christian as you seem to think he is. He is an atheist, I can tell by his comment.

      October 11, 2012 at 3:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sarah

      that is an ignorant and awful thing to say/ think. We all come in and out of life at certain times for a reason, but dying or getting cancer isn't God punishing us. Death is a natural part of life and it will happen to all of us. God doesn't give someone cancer to punish them, but it is for a reason. Maybe to influence or change another person's life for the better. Or if the person recovers, to make them stronger. We never know. You can believe whatever you want but please don't be so ignorant. Getting cancer does not mean that you are condemmed to hell.

      October 11, 2012 at 3:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • David

      Sam, such a shameful and ignorant thing to say. You need too read something other than a bible. I'm not saying the bible is a bad thing but if you think any god of mercy and love would brand a terminal ill person as a sinner and damned to hell you miss the whole message. We all die that's a fact. Some die in accidents, some of old age. Others of poor decisions or just bad luck like getting cancer. You can't presume that god judged this girl for being a sinner. you are not a judge. I've been with a loved one that suffered through cancer and passed. She wasn't a bad person at all. So don't pretend to be judge and jury. Be what the bible teaches really.

      October 11, 2012 at 3:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Amber West

      As an atheist myself (born into it – not here to debate my lack of faith) I kind of see where the original poster is going with this, but I admit he's just trying to incite anger and provoke those of you who are religious with the way he's saying it.

      It's kind of confusing to those of us outside the faith in that on one hand, everything that happens is god's will, but on the other hand apparently these people are making their own choices that could potentially be wrong? I don't get it. Is it your god's will, or yours? It's extremely confusing. By that logic, if she allowed herself to die, or stayed hooked up to machines, wouldn't either choice be god's will? I mean, if he controls everything...

      October 11, 2012 at 3:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • NotAmused

      I am going to have to award both the Stupid Statement of the Year Award as well as the 2012 Moron of the Year Award to you! Please cease and desist from posting. Please turn off your computer and go back to Jerry Springer... And by no means should you open a Bible again and and attempt to interpret it...

      October 11, 2012 at 3:14 pm | Report abuse |

    Democrats support affirmative action programs in employment and college programs. Think before you vote.

    October 11, 2012 at 2:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • asdrel

      What does your comment possibly have to do with the article to which you posted? Must every article have someone trusting election politics into it, no matter how irrelevant?

      October 11, 2012 at 2:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • cedar rapids


      Democrats support affirmative action programs in employment and college programs. Think before you vote."

      This article is about a woman changing her mind about dying.
      Think before you....well do anything basically.

      October 11, 2012 at 3:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • skastenbaumcnn

      Please reserve your political comments for stories on the political page. Thank you.

      October 11, 2012 at 4:34 pm | Report abuse |
  89. jasoncdanforth

    God doesn't exist. Heaven doesn't exist. Hell doesn't exist. All that exists is this present moment and how we choose to treat each other. And in the case of this woman, we are treating each other pretty shitty.

    And right now, this family is causing undue pain and suffering to this woman. Let this woman die with dignity instead of living in agony.

    October 11, 2012 at 2:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Poltergiest

      She's clearly uncertain about suicide or the hell fire speech wouldn't matter. She can decide what she wants to do at anytime and she has decided to live. Her parents opinions are known, but irrelevant to the fact that she chose not to die. Perhaps you should respect that she CHOSE, to remain alive since all you would be doing is trying to covince her she needs to kill herself to satisfy your agenda.

      October 11, 2012 at 2:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • Just Me

      Wow, thanks for bring divine evidence that there is no GOD, no hell, no heaven, etc.


      October 11, 2012 at 2:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jessy

      Agreed 100%

      October 11, 2012 at 2:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Margaret

      Her family are suffering too, watching your child die is not something anyone wants. They obviously believe strongly about this. The important thing is now the woman has a choice. Everyone should have some say in their own care. Lets respect her choice, and she may make a different decision later. My husband has a progressive illness, for him there are no tubes to be pulled. He feels it is not fair he has to go on and on. I agree with him. I wish there were alternatives too.But it should be a choice, not mandated by law or someone elses religion.

      October 11, 2012 at 2:55 pm | Report abuse |
  90. Mohammad A Dar

    Life is most valuable and no effort's should be spared to prolong life, effort's is duty of human and reward's are in good lord's hands.

    October 11, 2012 at 2:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • Joe from CT, not Lieberman

      My family went through this too many times over the past few years. My wife's grandfather ended up on life support for most of the last year of his life. He was unresponsive to any stimuli. We made a conscious decision as a family to remove him from the ventilator and allow his body to finally achieve the peace we believe his soul was already at.
      A short time later we watched my step-mother slowly waste away until she was at peace. When it was my father's turn last year, he decided he didn't want extraordinary measures, preferring to pass peacefully. None of these could be considered suicide or murder.

      October 11, 2012 at 2:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dan

      There is no lord, your English is awful, and why would you want someone to suffer like that? That is cruel.

      October 11, 2012 at 2:58 pm | Report abuse |
      • Mohammad A Dar

        Borne out of hinduism, ignorance, truth absolute is lord of universe, learn some quantum physics, hindu, ignorant.

        October 11, 2012 at 3:20 pm | Report abuse |
        • cedar rapids

          oh its the nutter that goes on about hinduism. hi nutter

          October 11, 2012 at 3:23 pm | Report abuse |
  91. Tim P

    I notice that the article says nothing about the early Christians who committed suicide in massive numbers for hundreds of years before it was "banned" by church leaders.

    There is nothing wrong with killing yourself if it seems warranted. And there is nothing against it in the Bible at all.
    Those who think it some sort of sin are woefully ignorant of their religion. There is no religion that bars suicide.

    October 11, 2012 at 2:12 pm | Report abuse |
  92. lweba

    What miracle? Here in the 'Third World' we don't have machines so we have less miracles, had she been here she would have been history by now!

    October 11, 2012 at 2:11 pm | Report abuse |
  93. lcb

    LIFE itself? is a terminal reality...a 'life' sentence that begins at conception. I feel this woman's distress – as she struggles along towards her ultimate demise. How powerless she must feel, with the programmed fear of everlasting hellfire and damnation, determining her right to choose to end her moment to moment suffering! Would that she could exchange her human condition with that of a terminally ill canine – whom a vet would mercifully 'cure' with an acceptable injection. What hubris we humans practice. Pathetic!

    October 11, 2012 at 2:05 pm | Report abuse |
  94. sumday

    So what would they say about Samsons actions when he asked G-d to let him die with his enemy's rather than being saved from the destruction?

    October 11, 2012 at 1:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bregs

      Agreed. Or even Christ on the cross. Why did he go willingly to death? Is that not suicide if he had the means to get away?

      October 11, 2012 at 2:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • panda napkin symphony

      I'm not sure where that comes from. I'm very religious and suffer from severe bipolar, OCD and several other disorders. I've spent countless hours debating this very topic with myself as the bible, from all my study, does not address suicide at all. And I dont mean it doesnt address it in the same vein that people ascribe to homosexuality (which is referenced repeatedly in mulitple books in both the old and new testament....not trying to imply I have the answer....just that homosexuality IS actually in the book) but rather that it doesnt address it at all. I'm still alive because I cant bring myself to hurt my family.

      The Bible speaks volumes both in what it says as well as what it doesnt say. I cant think of too many things that upset God that He didnt address one way or the other. Lack of condemnation doesnt exactly equal support....but it does make a statement in its own way.

      October 11, 2012 at 3:39 pm | Report abuse |
      • Jenn

        I agree with your thought on this. Not many seem to consider the fact that she feels this is something important to her parents and since they will outlive her, she is, perhaps, trying to help ease their suffering. She knows her death is inevitable and although she may want to die now, she realizes her suffering is much shorter than her parents' will be. It would be horrible to outlive your children. So very sad for all of them.

        October 11, 2012 at 4:20 pm | Report abuse |
  95. Leo

    It is not a "miracle from God" that this woman is alive. It's the product of science. Ceasing interventions in a terminal case isn't suicide... it's letting nature take over. If you believe in a god of some sort, you could say that taking a person off life support is "putting them back in God's hands."

    October 11, 2012 at 1:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Olympia

      Very well said.

      October 11, 2012 at 1:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • Johnsmom

      I totally agree.

      October 11, 2012 at 2:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Daniel

      I agree. Well said!

      October 11, 2012 at 2:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • Just Me

      She made a choice to live and science can't stop her from dying. Science can't cure all deadly disease like God is able to IF the person(s) have FAITH.

      October 11, 2012 at 2:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • cedar rapids

        so those that lost limbs dont regrow them because they just dont have enough faith right?

        seriously, do join us in the real world sometime.

        October 11, 2012 at 3:24 pm | Report abuse |
        • Tex71

          Yes, failure to regenerate amputated limbs is due to a lack of faith; death from cancer is due to a lack of faith; come to think of it, these same people who bleat about the unlimited power of faith healing are someday going to die of old age or something – does this mean they expect their faith to run out? Probably the whole thing is a denial mechanism that allows them to ignore their own mortality. Live, think, act. Don't expect a magical bailout.

          October 11, 2012 at 5:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Margaret

      Nicely stated.

      October 11, 2012 at 2:58 pm | Report abuse |
  96. CA Liberal

    There comes a time when you need to let go and die. Prolonged suffering isn't living.

    October 11, 2012 at 1:18 pm | Report abuse |
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    • Vad

      As a Conservative, or at least closer to it, I can find common ground with your post. I also agree with a very good post by LEO about turning off Science and putting it in God's hands. I also feel for her parents and understand why they want her to live. I cannot sit here in judgement upon them because I would want every precious second I could get with my child. There is no right or wrong here. One way or another I hope this poor woman's pain is eased soon.

      October 11, 2012 at 7:13 pm | Report abuse |